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Listening to Joe Rogan corresponded to a halving of vaccination rate in those people and his idiotic breed of “both sides” literally got people killed. But gl

Listening to Joe Rogan corresponded to a halving of vaccination rate in those people and his idiotic breed of “both sides” literally got people killed. But glad we avoided something “cataclysmic” like more vaccination. These are the most naive arguments I could imagine. It’s certainly not important to platform a bunch of conspiracy riddled garbage.

enchiridion 5y ago
"Platform", as in allow free speech, a core founding idea of liberal democracies everywhere. I'm aware speech on private platforms is not protected from the actions of the platform by the First Amendment. That doesn't mean it is morally acceptable for these platforms to infringe. "Conspiracy riddled garbage" which has turned out in more than one case to be right (the effectiveness of masking, effectiveness of social distancing, the effectiveness of lock downs). Just because the evidence currently looks to be in favor of vaccination doesn't mean we should shutdown dissenting opinions. Millions of people have given their lives to protect the ideal of free speech and similar freedoms. I have no issue with the fact that exercising that right may cause some harm. I fundamentally believe that free speech leads to better outcomes over the long term. Additionally, in this particular case the harm is not immediately obvious to me. If you are in a position to affect outcomes in this area (as many on HN probably are, given ties to social media), I hope you reflect on the environment of freedom you currently benefit from. Are comfortable restricting freedoms for future generations, who's situations and trials are unknown to you?
disambiguation 5y ago
consider there are many who prefer a free, open, and optional platform that sometimes gets it wrong to a mandatory, closed one that can never be reviewed or corrected when it does get it wrong. i'm also curious if there's a source on the halving of vaccination rates?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  https://morningconsult.com/2022/03/14/joe-rogan-fans-demographics-political-messaging-persuasion/ https://morningconsult.com/2022/03/14/joe-rogan-fans-demogra... See the chart (oddly) titled "Over Half of Joe Rogan's Fans Are Vaccinated Against COVID-19" about 2/3 down. Avid fans: 55% vaccinated, 45% unvaccinated Nonfans: 76% vaccinated, 24% unvaccinated
  - disambiguation 5y ago
    very interesting, i'm inspired to do some quick loose math 1 in 10 people are avid fans (3 in 10 if you include casual) 7 in 10 are under the age of 45 - negligible covid deaths, so we'll look at the 3 in 10 over 45 ~20% could have been vaccinated if they didn't listen to JRE it's estimated that ~200k lives could have been saved by the vaccine [0] so .1 * .3 * .2 * 200k is the number of deaths attributable to Joe Rogan [0] (i'm extrapolating the ratio at the time to todays 1M deaths) https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/ https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-...

enchiridion 5y ago

"Platform", as in allow free speech, a core founding idea of liberal democracies everywhere. I'm aware speech on private platforms is not protected from the actions of the platform by the First Amendment. That doesn't mean it is morally acceptable for these platforms to infringe. "Conspiracy riddled garbage" which has turned out in more than one case to be right (the effectiveness of masking, effectiveness of social distancing, the effectiveness of lock downs). Just because the evidence currently looks to be in favor of vaccination doesn't mean we should shutdown dissenting opinions. Millions of people have given their lives to protect the ideal of free speech and similar freedoms. I have no issue with the fact that exercising that right may cause some harm. I fundamentally believe that free speech leads to better outcomes over the long term. Additionally, in this particular case the harm is not immediately obvious to me. If you are in a position to affect outcomes in this area (as many on HN probably are, given ties to social media), I hope you reflect on the environment of freedom you currently benefit from. Are comfortable restricting freedoms for future generations, who's situations and trials are unknown to you?

disambiguation 5y ago

consider there are many who prefer a free, open, and optional platform that sometimes gets it wrong to a mandatory, closed one that can never be reviewed or corrected when it does get it wrong. i'm also curious if there's a source on the halving of vaccination rates?

ceejayoz 5y ago
https://morningconsult.com/2022/03/14/joe-rogan-fans-demographics-political-messaging-persuasion/ https://morningconsult.com/2022/03/14/joe-rogan-fans-demogra... See the chart (oddly) titled "Over Half of Joe Rogan's Fans Are Vaccinated Against COVID-19" about 2/3 down. Avid fans: 55% vaccinated, 45% unvaccinated Nonfans: 76% vaccinated, 24% unvaccinated
- disambiguation 5y ago
  very interesting, i'm inspired to do some quick loose math 1 in 10 people are avid fans (3 in 10 if you include casual) 7 in 10 are under the age of 45 - negligible covid deaths, so we'll look at the 3 in 10 over 45 ~20% could have been vaccinated if they didn't listen to JRE it's estimated that ~200k lives could have been saved by the vaccine [0] so .1 * .3 * .2 * 200k is the number of deaths attributable to Joe Rogan [0] (i'm extrapolating the ratio at the time to todays 1M deaths) https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/ https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-...