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> - Lack of preparation. > - Not enough resources allocated to research. How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? How would yo

> - Lack of preparation. > - Not enough resources allocated to research. How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? How would you have prepared for a major coronavirus outbreak before covid, for example? Some might even argue that it's precisely because of the research done in preparation for a new pandemic, which included studying novel coronaviruses using something that Fauci says was definitely not gain-of-function research, that we got this particular one in the first place :-) > - Too much reliance on Pharma and particularly Vaccine producing companies. Yeah, I think this is the mainstream scientific orthodoxy now. But then, it probably makes the most sense in terms of how we understand the human body works. What would you have done differently — reallocated the resources to study drug repurposing?

shadowgovt 5y ago
> How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? Statistical extrapolation and lessons from previous disasters. We don't know when a flood will happen, but we know what a floodplain looks like. > How would you have prepared for a major coronavirus outbreak before covid, for example? Execute on the preparatory plans generated after H1N1, as one example.
belter 5y ago
How to prepare for a pandemic: - Make sure Schools, Companies, Public Institutions have to go once a year, through an audited test trial. Demonstrate they can run their business with no personal physical contact and they can manage the appearance of a Biohazard level 4 virus. - For companies delivering physical good rehearse you procedures for delivery product without physical contact. - Make sure the each Country has stocks of drinkable water and food supplies for 1/2 years - Each Country should make sure they have enough medical equipment for first response teams to handle up to Biohazard level 4 virus. - Be ready to separate your medical care between institutions providing regular medical care and choose hospitals or field hospitals that will handle infected patients. - Identify the Research groups and Specialists able to work with priority on medical research and don't outsource the research to commercial vaccine producers. A scientific research group at an University like Oxford is an acceptable team, Pfizer is not. - Discuss the legal implications of medical mandates and open a public discussion of what measures will be acceptable, and what measures will be too much. Don't use a pandemic as an excuse to massage some groups authoritarian inclinations. - Create a public dashboard of public acceptable metrics that measure each Country preparedness for a pandemic or by that measure, for other natural disasters. - Make an effort to collect worldwide samples that can be use to research still unknown virus. - Do not engage in ethically challenging, gain of function research ;-) - Use 0.01% tax on corporate revenue ( not profit ;-) to budget a disaster fund. - Could go but would say for now would say, update this one doc from 2007... https://www.humanitarianresponse.info/sites/www.humanitarianresponse.info/files/documents/files/39%20Steps%20Governments%20Should%20Take%20To%20Prepare%20for%20Pandemic.pdf https://www.humanitarianresponse.info/sites/www.humanitarian... So my question is, POST Pandemic ( if we can already say that), which government, has currently in place any initiative that looks remotely like any of the points above?
cudgy 5y ago
> How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? How would you have prepared for a major coronavirus outbreak before covid, for example? Don’t we always prepare for something we don’t know is going to happen? In the case of Covid, it was actually being developed by humans in labs that were likely carelessly released into the world. Perhaps preparing to not develop and release dangerous pathogens is a start.
anewlanguage 5y ago
> How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? The pandemic was predicted many years in advance, by many people: https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predicted-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predict... The fact it was a coronavirus coming over from animals was also highly predictable, given SARS and MERS. There is a fantastic book called Spillover by David Quammen which lays all this out and explains why it was virtually guaranteed to happen.
maxerickson 5y ago
Lots of people have been beating the drum about the harm that could come from a highly infectious respiratory virus, for literally decades. You can't really target a specific pathogen directly ahead of time, but for example, monitoring can buy weeks of time to deal with infections that are doubling in days.
mistermann 5y ago
> How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? How would you have prepared for a major coronavirus outbreak before covid, for example? Ensuring that the public is reasonably skilled in thinking, journalists are skilled in both thinking and telling the truth, people are reasonable satisfied with their relative lot in life (minimize wealth inequality, etc) lest they have something to get revenge for any way they can, etc would all have gone a long way toward minimizing the problems we experienced during covid. Unfortunately, we didn't do any of these things, and now people are even angrier.

shadowgovt 5y ago

> How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? Statistical extrapolation and lessons from previous disasters. We don't know when a flood will happen, but we know what a floodplain looks like. > How would you have prepared for a major coronavirus outbreak before covid, for example? Execute on the preparatory plans generated after H1N1, as one example.

belter 5y ago

How to prepare for a pandemic: - Make sure Schools, Companies, Public Institutions have to go once a year, through an audited test trial. Demonstrate they can run their business with no personal physical contact and they can manage the appearance of a Biohazard level 4 virus. - For companies delivering physical good rehearse you procedures for delivery product without physical contact. - Make sure the each Country has stocks of drinkable water and food supplies for 1/2 years - Each Country should make sure they have enough medical equipment for first response teams to handle up to Biohazard level 4 virus. - Be ready to separate your medical care between institutions providing regular medical care and choose hospitals or field hospitals that will handle infected patients. - Identify the Research groups and Specialists able to work with priority on medical research and don't outsource the research to commercial vaccine producers. A scientific research group at an University like Oxford is an acceptable team, Pfizer is not. - Discuss the legal implications of medical mandates and open a public discussion of what measures will be acceptable, and what measures will be too much. Don't use a pandemic as an excuse to massage some groups authoritarian inclinations. - Create a public dashboard of public acceptable metrics that measure each Country preparedness for a pandemic or by that measure, for other natural disasters. - Make an effort to collect worldwide samples that can be use to research still unknown virus. - Do not engage in ethically challenging, gain of function research ;-) - Use 0.01% tax on corporate revenue ( not profit ;-) to budget a disaster fund. - Could go but would say for now would say, update this one doc from 2007... https://www.humanitarianresponse.info/sites/www.humanitarianresponse.info/files/documents/files/39%20Steps%20Governments%20Should%20Take%20To%20Prepare%20for%20Pandemic.pdf https://www.humanitarianresponse.info/sites/www.humanitarian... So my question is, POST Pandemic ( if we can already say that), which government, has currently in place any initiative that looks remotely like any of the points above?

cudgy 5y ago

> How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? How would you have prepared for a major coronavirus outbreak before covid, for example? Don’t we always prepare for something we don’t know is going to happen? In the case of Covid, it was actually being developed by humans in labs that were likely carelessly released into the world. Perhaps preparing to not develop and release dangerous pathogens is a start.

anewlanguage 5y ago

> How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? The pandemic was predicted many years in advance, by many people: https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predicted-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predict... The fact it was a coronavirus coming over from animals was also highly predictable, given SARS and MERS. There is a fantastic book called Spillover by David Quammen which lays all this out and explains why it was virtually guaranteed to happen.

maxerickson 5y ago

Lots of people have been beating the drum about the harm that could come from a highly infectious respiratory virus, for literally decades. You can't really target a specific pathogen directly ahead of time, but for example, monitoring can buy weeks of time to deal with infections that are doubling in days.

mistermann 5y ago

> How do you prepare for something that you don't know is going to happen? How would you have prepared for a major coronavirus outbreak before covid, for example? Ensuring that the public is reasonably skilled in thinking, journalists are skilled in both thinking and telling the truth, people are reasonable satisfied with their relative lot in life (minimize wealth inequality, etc) lest they have something to get revenge for any way they can, etc would all have gone a long way toward minimizing the problems we experienced during covid. Unfortunately, we didn't do any of these things, and now people are even angrier.