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I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual dri

I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual driving skills and overtaking, over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it, pretty much boring from start to finish and you really need to stay extremely focused to not fall asleep. What F1 really needs is one monopost for all drivers when only driving skills will make difference and not how much money will someone throw at car R&D. Later I switched to Moto GP, much more dynamic, you can see multiple changes to positions within few laps and it's about actual skills. Please correct me if I am wrong and F1 is now dynamic with lot of overtaking since I haven't seen one GP in last 10-15 years. Btw. do yourself a service and don't watch the new documentary Schumacher, it's just waste of time with NO new information for anyone who watched F1 during Schumacher times.

basisword 5y ago
>> What F1 really needs is one monopost for all drivers when only driving skills will make difference and not how much money will someone throw at car R&D. That would no longer be F1. There are lots of other categories that follow that formula (e.g. F2/3 and IndyCar) if that’s what you’re looking for. Engineering genius is an important part of F1, even historically (e.g. the “fan car”).
- chrisan 5y ago
  The problem is we don't need a full race to see engineering genius. Certainly not a full season. I've been watching F1 since Senna burst out. Naturally as a kid I loved seeing him win and could care less about most other drivers of the time, certainly the bottom half. As an adult however, I wish things were more equal. F1 could do with less of a gap between the poor and rich and showcase drivers who have to constantly make choices and perform at their best to maintain vs car A vs car B where car A is always going to be superior.
  - macksd 5y ago
    But there are already series that do that, and they've been doing it more and more. And honestly even in those series' it's hardly a surprise which teams are finishing at the top all the time because they snag the most expensive drivers and just have a more well-oiled operation. Why can't there be 1 open-wheel series that is more about the engineering?
bruce511 5y ago
>> Please correct me if I am wrong and F1 is now dynamic with lot of overtaking since I haven't seen one GP in last 10-15 years. I would say that you are wrong, but with caveats. Firstly, it's dependent on the track. some tracks provide more opportunities to overtake than others. Monaco is one extreme (where overtaking is basically impossible) - on the other end of the scale is Bahrain where overtaking is "easy". Actually having all cars the same would lead to less overtaking though - because it's not enough to "be a bit faster" than the car in front, you have to be close enough, at the right time, and have enough of a performance advantage to make the overtake in the time available. DRS makes a big difference to this giving an advantage to a trailing car which makes overtaking "easier". But you still need the track to play ball. Like all sports, F1 goes through periods of boring races, and typically there are then rule tweaks to try and tighten up racing. This year there are all new cars, designed (hopefully) to make following easier and hence overtaking easier. Of course making overtaking easier is perhaps not the best goal - close racing happens when a faster car is behind a slower car, and overtaking is hard. The defense of the slower car, and the effort required to maintain that position can be enthralling. Letting the faster car pass easily, and disappear into the distance may not actually lead to better racing.
tunap 5y ago
Even better aspect of Moto GP, IMO, is you often get 8 or 9 different winners during a season, even when MM93 or VR46 were winning consecutive championships. This year's 1st race podium had 3 riders on it who were not amongst the top picks to podium. Bonus: watching the aliens hit 220 MPH on 2 wheels is pretty awesome, too.
ChildOfChaos 5y ago
There is a budget cap now, so teams have no difference in how much money they have to spend on R&D. All cars the same would be boring and overwhelming, the sport is in large part about the teams and the engineering, the upgrades they bring and the sway between which team is the best. I watch it because I love seeing this excellence at work and i'm not even into cars, I don't drive, so i care less about that.
chrisan 5y ago
> over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it Data says otherwise, in general https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/nf4jkq/f1_overtaking_database_19942020/ https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/nf4jkq/f1_overtak... The late 90s/early 00s had the least amount of overtakes on avg
- Markoff 5y ago
  that's interesting data, but I wonder whether this applies also to top positions, I'd like to see these stats filtered just for top positions is there also some stat showing diversity of top positions over years or team/driver points required to win championship? though because of changing points system it's difficult to compare unless converted to percentage According this championship decided by one point was last time in 2008, 2007 and 1994 with 2007 extremely balanced between top 3 https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/g36279865/formula-1-drivers-championship-decided-by-1-point/ https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/g36279865/formula-... Judging by this, last year was from start to finish just race between Verstappen and Hamilton https://www.formula1points.com/season/season-progression/2021 https://www.formula1points.com/season/season-progression/202...
mhh__ 5y ago
There are HUGE differences in the cars this year. The mercedes literally doesn't have sidepods whereas all the others do.
toyg 5y ago
> one monopost Does that word even exist in English? Nobody uses it in the anglo word. Monoposto is an Italian / Spanish word really, where posto is a seat (hence single-seat car).
- Markoff 5y ago
  I thought it's international word since it's also used in Czech/Slovak, can't find it in English, though they mention "monoposto" here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-wheel_car https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-wheel_car

basisword 5y ago

>> What F1 really needs is one monopost for all drivers when only driving skills will make difference and not how much money will someone throw at car R&D. That would no longer be F1. There are lots of other categories that follow that formula (e.g. F2/3 and IndyCar) if that’s what you’re looking for. Engineering genius is an important part of F1, even historically (e.g. the “fan car”).

chrisan 5y ago
The problem is we don't need a full race to see engineering genius. Certainly not a full season. I've been watching F1 since Senna burst out. Naturally as a kid I loved seeing him win and could care less about most other drivers of the time, certainly the bottom half. As an adult however, I wish things were more equal. F1 could do with less of a gap between the poor and rich and showcase drivers who have to constantly make choices and perform at their best to maintain vs car A vs car B where car A is always going to be superior.
- macksd 5y ago
  But there are already series that do that, and they've been doing it more and more. And honestly even in those series' it's hardly a surprise which teams are finishing at the top all the time because they snag the most expensive drivers and just have a more well-oiled operation. Why can't there be 1 open-wheel series that is more about the engineering?

bruce511 5y ago

>> Please correct me if I am wrong and F1 is now dynamic with lot of overtaking since I haven't seen one GP in last 10-15 years. I would say that you are wrong, but with caveats. Firstly, it's dependent on the track. some tracks provide more opportunities to overtake than others. Monaco is one extreme (where overtaking is basically impossible) - on the other end of the scale is Bahrain where overtaking is "easy". Actually having all cars the same would lead to less overtaking though - because it's not enough to "be a bit faster" than the car in front, you have to be close enough, at the right time, and have enough of a performance advantage to make the overtake in the time available. DRS makes a big difference to this giving an advantage to a trailing car which makes overtaking "easier". But you still need the track to play ball. Like all sports, F1 goes through periods of boring races, and typically there are then rule tweaks to try and tighten up racing. This year there are all new cars, designed (hopefully) to make following easier and hence overtaking easier. Of course making overtaking easier is perhaps not the best goal - close racing happens when a faster car is behind a slower car, and overtaking is hard. The defense of the slower car, and the effort required to maintain that position can be enthralling. Letting the faster car pass easily, and disappear into the distance may not actually lead to better racing.

tunap 5y ago

Even better aspect of Moto GP, IMO, is you often get 8 or 9 different winners during a season, even when MM93 or VR46 were winning consecutive championships. This year's 1st race podium had 3 riders on it who were not amongst the top picks to podium. Bonus: watching the aliens hit 220 MPH on 2 wheels is pretty awesome, too.

ChildOfChaos 5y ago

There is a budget cap now, so teams have no difference in how much money they have to spend on R&D. All cars the same would be boring and overwhelming, the sport is in large part about the teams and the engineering, the upgrades they bring and the sway between which team is the best. I watch it because I love seeing this excellence at work and i'm not even into cars, I don't drive, so i care less about that.

chrisan 5y ago

> over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it Data says otherwise, in general https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/nf4jkq/f1_overtaking_database_19942020/ https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/nf4jkq/f1_overtak... The late 90s/early 00s had the least amount of overtakes on avg

Markoff 5y ago
that's interesting data, but I wonder whether this applies also to top positions, I'd like to see these stats filtered just for top positions is there also some stat showing diversity of top positions over years or team/driver points required to win championship? though because of changing points system it's difficult to compare unless converted to percentage According this championship decided by one point was last time in 2008, 2007 and 1994 with 2007 extremely balanced between top 3 https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/g36279865/formula-1-drivers-championship-decided-by-1-point/ https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/g36279865/formula-... Judging by this, last year was from start to finish just race between Verstappen and Hamilton https://www.formula1points.com/season/season-progression/2021 https://www.formula1points.com/season/season-progression/202...

mhh__ 5y ago

There are HUGE differences in the cars this year. The mercedes literally doesn't have sidepods whereas all the others do.

toyg 5y ago

> one monopost Does that word even exist in English? Nobody uses it in the anglo word. Monoposto is an Italian / Spanish word really, where posto is a seat (hence single-seat car).

Markoff 5y ago
I thought it's international word since it's also used in Czech/Slovak, can't find it in English, though they mention "monoposto" here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-wheel_car https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-wheel_car