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That's not super surprising. The 3090 is a beast. The fact that they've gotten into a similar ballpark to maybe the 3070 based on those numbers with a SoC is pr

That's not super surprising. The 3090 is a beast. The fact that they've gotten into a similar ballpark to maybe the 3070 based on those numbers with a SoC is pretty impressive, though. That said, am I the only one getting annoyed with shallow comparisons of the M1 products? Or is SEO BS hiding the good stuff? It seems like the rule most sites are following is 50% or more of your benchmark graphs should be Geekbench which is quite eye-roll inducing when you've been spoiled by comprehensive benchmarks in the PC market for decades.

q-big 5y ago
> That said, am I the only one getting annoyed with shallow comparisons of the M1 products? Or is SEO BS hiding the good stuff? Could "Many tech 'journalists' are Apple fanboys" be a reasonable explanation?
- reaperducer 5y ago
  I think it's closer to the truth to say that many tech "journalists" aren't actual trained journalists. Just bloggers cosplaying journalism.
  - rjzzleep 5y ago
    Looking at the media right now, it seems many professional journalists are the same.
    - reaperducer 5y ago
      It depends on how you define "the media" and "professional journalist." It's more complicated than most people think. Some of the world's best actual journalists, like Peter Jennings, were high school dropouts. At the same time, some of the world's most prominent people who often present themselves as journalists are absolutely not.
      - greggsy 5y ago
        The old school of journalism allowed for cadetships and on the job professionalisation. The expectation that a degree can get you a journo job has made the industry better in many regards, but I feel like the boundary was blurred into comms, media, and marketing at some point.
        reaperducer 5y ago
        You are correct. A lot of it started around 2000. The Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern University was one of the most highly-regarded journalism schools in the nation. Then, its focus changed, and it is now the Medill School of Journalism, Media, and Integrated Marketing Communications with the motto "The future belongs to those who understand the art and science of marketing communications." https://www.medill.northwestern.edu/imc/ https://www.medill.northwestern.edu/imc/ I used to work at a place where we would get Medill students as interns. I was told that they were always high-quality. But then we started getting "journalism" majors who couldn't spell, and didn't know the first thing about grammar, fact-checking, interviewing, storytelling, or the difference between fact and opinion; but were experts at putting together videos for YouTube.
swiftcoder 5y ago
A bunch of the popular PC benchmarks have never been ported to Mac, so that limits ones options - but none of these mass-market tech publications really lean into the technical aspects of hardware performance. I generally wait till somewhere like Anandtech publishes benchmarks (which tends to take a while longer, given the more detailed testing).
- smoldesu 5y ago
  For the record, this is a Geekbench test, which was Apple-native and then ported to other operating systems.
ianai 5y ago
Am I just losing my eyesight or were the text on those graphs not very legible? I see a lot of graininess when zooming them up on mobile.
- captainbland 5y ago
  Yeah, there's an option to see the original if you click into the image at the bottom of the light box, which is sharper. Also I think the colour key was messed up when I viewed it because it implied more FPS at higher resolutions in shadow of the tomb raider which didn't seem right.
  - Macha 5y ago
    It looks like The Verge (the source) have corrected it since, though the decision not to test the 3090 at 4k seems... weird to me: https://i.imgur.com/P2motB1.png https://i.imgur.com/P2motB1.png Also they just handwave "2019 Mac Pro" for the comparison, though the 2019 Mac Pro has _5_ GPU options. Going toe to toe with the intel gpu is embarassing, going toe to toe with the W6800 is quite good. Though I suspect since they've had the device for two years it's the W5700 model, but would be good to have the specified.

q-big 5y ago

> That said, am I the only one getting annoyed with shallow comparisons of the M1 products? Or is SEO BS hiding the good stuff? Could "Many tech 'journalists' are Apple fanboys" be a reasonable explanation?

reaperducer 5y ago
I think it's closer to the truth to say that many tech "journalists" aren't actual trained journalists. Just bloggers cosplaying journalism.
- rjzzleep 5y ago
  Looking at the media right now, it seems many professional journalists are the same.
  - reaperducer 5y ago
    It depends on how you define "the media" and "professional journalist." It's more complicated than most people think. Some of the world's best actual journalists, like Peter Jennings, were high school dropouts. At the same time, some of the world's most prominent people who often present themselves as journalists are absolutely not.
    - greggsy 5y ago
      The old school of journalism allowed for cadetships and on the job professionalisation. The expectation that a degree can get you a journo job has made the industry better in many regards, but I feel like the boundary was blurred into comms, media, and marketing at some point.
      - reaperducer 5y ago
        You are correct. A lot of it started around 2000. The Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern University was one of the most highly-regarded journalism schools in the nation. Then, its focus changed, and it is now the Medill School of Journalism, Media, and Integrated Marketing Communications with the motto "The future belongs to those who understand the art and science of marketing communications." https://www.medill.northwestern.edu/imc/ https://www.medill.northwestern.edu/imc/ I used to work at a place where we would get Medill students as interns. I was told that they were always high-quality. But then we started getting "journalism" majors who couldn't spell, and didn't know the first thing about grammar, fact-checking, interviewing, storytelling, or the difference between fact and opinion; but were experts at putting together videos for YouTube.

swiftcoder 5y ago

A bunch of the popular PC benchmarks have never been ported to Mac, so that limits ones options - but none of these mass-market tech publications really lean into the technical aspects of hardware performance. I generally wait till somewhere like Anandtech publishes benchmarks (which tends to take a while longer, given the more detailed testing).

smoldesu 5y ago
For the record, this is a Geekbench test, which was Apple-native and then ported to other operating systems.

ianai 5y ago

Am I just losing my eyesight or were the text on those graphs not very legible? I see a lot of graininess when zooming them up on mobile.

captainbland 5y ago
Yeah, there's an option to see the original if you click into the image at the bottom of the light box, which is sharper. Also I think the colour key was messed up when I viewed it because it implied more FPS at higher resolutions in shadow of the tomb raider which didn't seem right.
- Macha 5y ago
  It looks like The Verge (the source) have corrected it since, though the decision not to test the 3090 at 4k seems... weird to me: https://i.imgur.com/P2motB1.png https://i.imgur.com/P2motB1.png Also they just handwave "2019 Mac Pro" for the comparison, though the 2019 Mac Pro has _5_ GPU options. Going toe to toe with the intel gpu is embarassing, going toe to toe with the W6800 is quite good. Though I suspect since they've had the device for two years it's the W5700 model, but would be good to have the specified.