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It's going to be downvoted, but if Ukraine would have nuclear weapons, there would be no Ukraine by now. It was very right decision to strip Ukraine off nuclear

It's going to be downvoted, but if Ukraine would have nuclear weapons, there would be no Ukraine by now. It was very right decision to strip Ukraine off nuclear weapons made back in the days. Knowing thing there too well one can sadly acknowledge there is no proper governance or management in armed forces. Over the course of 20 years they managed to down a civilian plane and destroy a building in densely populated area. Hard to imagine what would have happened if nuclear weapons would have been at their disposal.

klausjensen 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 According to the Joint investigation force, the Buk missile that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards. ...so it was Russia/Russia-backed separatists, who shot down that plane.
- jesterson 5y ago
  And? What made you think I was referring to the flight?
  - klausjensen 5y ago
    This quote of what you wrote: "they managed to down a civilian plane" - "they" referring back to Ukraine. To compare Ukraine and Russia because Ukraine is not perfect is like comparing a ticket for jaywalking with blowing up a maternity-hospital.
    - ailef 5y ago
      > is like comparing a ticket for jaywalking with blowing up a maternity-hospital. Ukraine has done a whole lot a shit in the recent past and this comparison doesn't really hold against a scrutiny of reality. It seems like the typical exaggeration propagated by Western media, by depicting only the positive aspects of Ukraine's actions and disregarding the rest.
      - klausjensen 5y ago
        At least we can count on you to show up and defend Russia in each and every thread about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ukraine is far from perfect, but Russia is a full-blown terrorist-state. Do you even recognize that Russia has invaded Ukraine? Are all the videos and pictures of bombed residential buildings fake/CGI? Done by Ukraine to gain sympathy?
        ailef 5y ago
        > but Russia is a full-blown terrorist-state. Thanks for repeating Western propaganda. Do you apply this definition to the US as well? If that's the case I'm ok with it, otherwise I would like to hear what definition of terrorism are you using so that it applies to Russia but not the US. > Do you even recognize that Russia has invaded Ukraine? Are all the videos and pictures of bombed residential buildings fake/CGI? Done by Ukraine to gain sympathy? As usually happens with this topic, I can't make a point without people putting words into my mouth to discredit what I said. Moreover, this is not even related to the topic at hand. You portrayed a very partisan version of reality, where Ukraine is immaculate and Russia is the ultimate evil. If you want to talk historical events I'm okay with it, otherwise if you just have to smear me and reply with non-sequiturs there's no discussion to be had.
        klausjensen 5y ago
        Your inability to even acknowledge the invasion tells me everything I need to know. You are right, there is no discussion to be had between us.
        ailef 5y ago
        One has to be braindead not to acknowledge the invasion. Ukraine is getting wrecked and innocent Ukraininans are dying at the hand of Russian soldiers. It's obviously a catastrophe, under every point of view. Now, the hard part is acknowledging all the other side of the equation... which you are severly mischaracterizing.
      - 5y ago
    - jesterson 5y ago
      Right. So you admitted they have downed MH17 as well. I think so too, although there is too little evidence to make statements for sure.
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  Those of who without sin cast the first stone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812 These things happen all the time. Not all accidental airliner shootdowns get the same media attention, unfortunately.
- klausjensen 5y ago
  ...Accidentally, BTW. Nothing indicates it was shot down on purpose.

klausjensen 5y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 According to the Joint investigation force, the Buk missile that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards. ...so it was Russia/Russia-backed separatists, who shot down that plane.

jesterson 5y ago
And? What made you think I was referring to the flight?
- klausjensen 5y ago
  This quote of what you wrote: "they managed to down a civilian plane" - "they" referring back to Ukraine. To compare Ukraine and Russia because Ukraine is not perfect is like comparing a ticket for jaywalking with blowing up a maternity-hospital.
  - ailef 5y ago
    > is like comparing a ticket for jaywalking with blowing up a maternity-hospital. Ukraine has done a whole lot a shit in the recent past and this comparison doesn't really hold against a scrutiny of reality. It seems like the typical exaggeration propagated by Western media, by depicting only the positive aspects of Ukraine's actions and disregarding the rest.
    - klausjensen 5y ago
      At least we can count on you to show up and defend Russia in each and every thread about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ukraine is far from perfect, but Russia is a full-blown terrorist-state. Do you even recognize that Russia has invaded Ukraine? Are all the videos and pictures of bombed residential buildings fake/CGI? Done by Ukraine to gain sympathy?
      - ailef 5y ago
        > but Russia is a full-blown terrorist-state. Thanks for repeating Western propaganda. Do you apply this definition to the US as well? If that's the case I'm ok with it, otherwise I would like to hear what definition of terrorism are you using so that it applies to Russia but not the US. > Do you even recognize that Russia has invaded Ukraine? Are all the videos and pictures of bombed residential buildings fake/CGI? Done by Ukraine to gain sympathy? As usually happens with this topic, I can't make a point without people putting words into my mouth to discredit what I said. Moreover, this is not even related to the topic at hand. You portrayed a very partisan version of reality, where Ukraine is immaculate and Russia is the ultimate evil. If you want to talk historical events I'm okay with it, otherwise if you just have to smear me and reply with non-sequiturs there's no discussion to be had.
        klausjensen 5y ago
        Your inability to even acknowledge the invasion tells me everything I need to know. You are right, there is no discussion to be had between us.
        ailef 5y ago
        One has to be braindead not to acknowledge the invasion. Ukraine is getting wrecked and innocent Ukraininans are dying at the hand of Russian soldiers. It's obviously a catastrophe, under every point of view. Now, the hard part is acknowledging all the other side of the equation... which you are severly mischaracterizing.
    - 5y ago
  - jesterson 5y ago
    Right. So you admitted they have downed MH17 as well. I think so too, although there is too little evidence to make statements for sure.
DocTomoe 5y ago
Those of who without sin cast the first stone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812 These things happen all the time. Not all accidental airliner shootdowns get the same media attention, unfortunately.
klausjensen 5y ago
...Accidentally, BTW. Nothing indicates it was shot down on purpose.