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That's part of the problem... a good chunk of the .Net shortage is a SharePoint developer shortage... real, actual developers, not draggy-droppy ones. Develope

That's part of the problem... a good chunk of the .Net shortage is a SharePoint developer shortage... real, actual developers, not draggy-droppy ones. Developers with a good head on their shoulders can get 6 figures easy doing SharePoint... but who in God's name would want to?

mgutz 15y ago
Heck, I took a big pay cut to be happier. I was a .NET enterprise developer in the six figures. There is something about building things outside the box instead of being part of an assembly line at corporate shops. The lack of politics and endless meetings is a bonus too. It's not always about the money.
- dos1 15y ago
  This thread is indicative of the bias I see on HN. .Net and Java are "uncool" and therefore must not be suited for solving real world problems or doing interesting things. They are also often synonymous with bloated corporate bureaucracies and meetings. By these same stereotypes, should I assume that every Ruby developer is living in a party house with his 4 other co-founders, eating ramen and making social networking applications?
  - euroclydon 15y ago
    Wrong. Four words: "Nature of the work"
  - georgieporgie 15y ago
    .Net and Java are "uncool" I think he was saying that the typical Enterprise jobs are uncool, not that .Net is necessarily so.
  - droithomme 15y ago
    It's not bias, it's just a realistic observation of the market forces at work. People are willing to put up with bureaucracy and dull projects for more pay. There is no shortage of talent, there is merely an abundance of employers who are not realistic about market rates.
  - phillmv 15y ago
    Until recently those were the only situations in which you could get a job as a Ruby developer – hamming it out on your own, in a small startup or at a consultancy. It's still hard to get an Enterprise job as a Ruby developer. Hence the stereotype.
mgutz 15y ago
Heck, I took a big pay cut to be happier. I was a .NET entperprise developer in the six figures. There's something about building things otuside the box instead of being part of an assembly line at corporate shops. The lack of politics and the endless meetings is a bonus too. It's not always about the money.
gamble 15y ago
I was hired as a C# programmer once, only to find out that they'd lied to me about the nature of the position and I would actually be working with SharePoint. I threatened to quit unless they gave me the job originally advertised. Then the hiring manager bitched to me that all of the programmers they hired quit when they found out the job actually involved Sharepoint!
- rmc 15y ago
  the hiring manager bitched to me that all of the programmers they hired quit It's always funny when you hear someone complain that "everyone I've worked with in field X is an asshole" or "All the clients I have are assholes", etc. Pretty soon it's likely that you, not your clients, are the asshole.
hello_moto 15y ago
Me. I'd take 6 figures of SP and develop WebParts (and will sell them). It's a very good niche business. Just like what Wordpress used to be (or Drupal).

mgutz 15y ago

Heck, I took a big pay cut to be happier. I was a .NET enterprise developer in the six figures. There is something about building things outside the box instead of being part of an assembly line at corporate shops. The lack of politics and endless meetings is a bonus too. It's not always about the money.

dos1 15y ago
This thread is indicative of the bias I see on HN. .Net and Java are "uncool" and therefore must not be suited for solving real world problems or doing interesting things. They are also often synonymous with bloated corporate bureaucracies and meetings. By these same stereotypes, should I assume that every Ruby developer is living in a party house with his 4 other co-founders, eating ramen and making social networking applications?
- euroclydon 15y ago
  Wrong. Four words: "Nature of the work"
- georgieporgie 15y ago
  .Net and Java are "uncool" I think he was saying that the typical Enterprise jobs are uncool, not that .Net is necessarily so.
- droithomme 15y ago
  It's not bias, it's just a realistic observation of the market forces at work. People are willing to put up with bureaucracy and dull projects for more pay. There is no shortage of talent, there is merely an abundance of employers who are not realistic about market rates.
- phillmv 15y ago
  Until recently those were the only situations in which you could get a job as a Ruby developer – hamming it out on your own, in a small startup or at a consultancy. It's still hard to get an Enterprise job as a Ruby developer. Hence the stereotype.

mgutz 15y ago

Heck, I took a big pay cut to be happier. I was a .NET entperprise developer in the six figures. There's something about building things otuside the box instead of being part of an assembly line at corporate shops. The lack of politics and the endless meetings is a bonus too. It's not always about the money.

gamble 15y ago

I was hired as a C# programmer once, only to find out that they'd lied to me about the nature of the position and I would actually be working with SharePoint. I threatened to quit unless they gave me the job originally advertised. Then the hiring manager bitched to me that all of the programmers they hired quit when they found out the job actually involved Sharepoint!

rmc 15y ago
the hiring manager bitched to me that all of the programmers they hired quit It's always funny when you hear someone complain that "everyone I've worked with in field X is an asshole" or "All the clients I have are assholes", etc. Pretty soon it's likely that you, not your clients, are the asshole.

hello_moto 15y ago

Me. I'd take 6 figures of SP and develop WebParts (and will sell them). It's a very good niche business. Just like what Wordpress used to be (or Drupal).