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Baloney. If you want a Linux laptop, there are currently systems with purposeful Linux support. Asahi is an amazing feat, but panders to Apple's bullshit.

smoldesu 5y ago
Couldn't have said it better myself. I genuinely respect the people who are capable of doing stuff like this, but genuflecting yourself at the altar of propriety is a shameful act, and there's no respect in licking the boots of a company that has kicked OSS in the teeth more times than you can count.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  You might say they have kicked right to repair in the teeth many times, but OSS? Ha no, this is the company that brought us WebKit (browser engine) which later brought us Blink, and also brought us CUPS (which is what allows Linux to print right now - there's Apple code in your Linux distribution for everyday functionality, gasp!) They've also done a ton of work and basically brought us LLVM which many Linux systems use as part of compiling.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    > brought us WebKit (browser engine) Yes, the browser engine that had to be forked because Apple neglected it for so long. Brilliant example! > and also brought us CUPS Nope. That would be Michael Sweet. Apple later hired the main developer behind the effort, and adopted the standard as their own. Same thing happened with LLVM, so don't go around spreading those particular lies. Got anything else? All of your examples seem to be instances where Apple has neglected Open Source or just threw money at something they were incapable of competing with. > there's Apple code in your Linux distribution for everyday functionality, gasp! Man, wait until you hear who contributed the POSIX APIs, SMP support, multitasking/multiuser functionality and the entire networking stack to MacOS... ;)
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    Nitpick, partly because I suspect someone else will bring it up if I don’t, webkit didn’t start at Apple. I do think Apple’s open source contributions are largely undersold, although they’ve probably contributed less than other technology companies their size (e.g. Google).

smoldesu 5y ago

Couldn't have said it better myself. I genuinely respect the people who are capable of doing stuff like this, but genuflecting yourself at the altar of propriety is a shameful act, and there's no respect in licking the boots of a company that has kicked OSS in the teeth more times than you can count.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
You might say they have kicked right to repair in the teeth many times, but OSS? Ha no, this is the company that brought us WebKit (browser engine) which later brought us Blink, and also brought us CUPS (which is what allows Linux to print right now - there's Apple code in your Linux distribution for everyday functionality, gasp!) They've also done a ton of work and basically brought us LLVM which many Linux systems use as part of compiling.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  > brought us WebKit (browser engine) Yes, the browser engine that had to be forked because Apple neglected it for so long. Brilliant example! > and also brought us CUPS Nope. That would be Michael Sweet. Apple later hired the main developer behind the effort, and adopted the standard as their own. Same thing happened with LLVM, so don't go around spreading those particular lies. Got anything else? All of your examples seem to be instances where Apple has neglected Open Source or just threw money at something they were incapable of competing with. > there's Apple code in your Linux distribution for everyday functionality, gasp! Man, wait until you hear who contributed the POSIX APIs, SMP support, multitasking/multiuser functionality and the entire networking stack to MacOS... ;)
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  Nitpick, partly because I suspect someone else will bring it up if I don’t, webkit didn’t start at Apple. I do think Apple’s open source contributions are largely undersold, although they’ve probably contributed less than other technology companies their size (e.g. Google).