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None of those things are toxic. Those things are what toxic people THINK others mean because they want to pretend their actual toxic behavior is required for th

None of those things are toxic. Those things are what toxic people THINK others mean because they want to pretend their actual toxic behavior is required for those things, when in fact their toxic behavior hurts those goals. Toxic behavior is screaming at people in meetings. It is belittling coworkers work. It is allowing the louder people to dominate the conversation even when their ideas are worse. It is making decisions through intimidation and politics rather than merit. A toxic work environment is somewhere where toxic behavior is rewarded instead of stopped. Toxic people like to believe they get their way because their ideas are better, but they aren’t.

eric4smith 5y ago
My point is that to generally start a company, most people (NOT ALL) are toxic in nature. It takes a certain personality to do the things that start up a big enterprise that actually supports the families and lives of "normal" non-toxic people. That's what we have to get. We may not like it. And I certainly don't. But history has proven that is that it usually takes.
- tomrod 5y ago
  > My point is that to generally start a company, most people (NOT ALL) are toxic in nature. Very much untrue. Perhaps to build a cult of personality one needs to have eccentric tendencies. But to build a successful business toxicity is not required. I would be curious to know why you feel history, versus your general stereotype of founders, justifies your point.
- cortesoft 5y ago
  Most successful companies aren’t started by toxic people. You can be driven, and demand a lot from your employees, without being toxic. Now, I agree that some of the toxic behavior I mentioned is over-represented in people who are very driven. However, the toxic people who successfully create a business do so in spite of their toxic behavior, not because of it.

eric4smith 5y ago

My point is that to generally start a company, most people (NOT ALL) are toxic in nature. It takes a certain personality to do the things that start up a big enterprise that actually supports the families and lives of "normal" non-toxic people. That's what we have to get. We may not like it. And I certainly don't. But history has proven that is that it usually takes.

tomrod 5y ago
> My point is that to generally start a company, most people (NOT ALL) are toxic in nature. Very much untrue. Perhaps to build a cult of personality one needs to have eccentric tendencies. But to build a successful business toxicity is not required. I would be curious to know why you feel history, versus your general stereotype of founders, justifies your point.
cortesoft 5y ago
Most successful companies aren’t started by toxic people. You can be driven, and demand a lot from your employees, without being toxic. Now, I agree that some of the toxic behavior I mentioned is over-represented in people who are very driven. However, the toxic people who successfully create a business do so in spite of their toxic behavior, not because of it.