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I can't believe the apologists commenting on this. Firefox put a lot of effort into tracking download to install behavior. Maybe this is the only violation you
by abandonliberty 5y ago
I can't believe the apologists commenting on this.
Firefox put a lot of effort into tracking download to install behavior. Maybe this is the only violation you know about. There's no reason to continue to believe in Mozilla's good faith. They've been captured, and are 90% dependent on Google revenue.
Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28954390 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28954390
Firefox is dead. It's time to move past denial. It doesn't stand for anything you think it does. I'm sad, too. Time to bury the putrid, rotting corpse.
- rackjack 5y agoWhat're the alternatives to Firefox? The only ones that come to mind are Opera and Brave, and Brave had some controversy too.
- OrlandoHakim 5y agoWhat is controversial about Brave? Seems like the best alternative at the moment IMHO
- highwind 5y agoOne of many controversies: https://www.techworm.net/2020/06/brave-browser-cryptocurrency.html https://www.techworm.net/2020/06/brave-browser-cryptocurrenc...
- vlark 5y agoSome folks object to the Brave Rewards system and the embedded crypto wallet.
- SllX 5y agoI just disabled all of that. No Chromium browser is my main browser but when I need one, Brave seems like the best option. If you were to pick between Brave, Vivaldi and I dunno, maybe Edge, just for when you need Chrome-compatibility and pretty much no other reason, which one would you pick and why?
- GlumWoodpecker 5y agoUngoogled Chromium.
- vlark 5y agoVivaldi. Like Firefox, it has cross-system syncing (Windows, MacOS, Linux -- including Android & Raspberry Pi).
- moralestapia 5y agoIt is opt-in and also extremely easy to enable/disable. It also comes with a built-in ad blocker that works really good. It's fast and doesn't eat your CPU/RAM. Recommended, 100%. Disclaimer: Not a Brave shill.
- babypuncher 5y agoEven without all the controversies, Brave is still Chrome.
- UberFly 5y agoBrave is still Chromium you mean. Chrome is a browser by Google. Chromium is the open-source engine.
- bigbugbag 5y agothis: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html this: https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/blob/master/app/trackingProtection.js#L21 https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/blob/master/app/trac... also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers... then this: https://teddit.net/r/FoamList/comments/q4z5js/brave_browser_controversies/ https://teddit.net/r/FoamList/comments/q4z5js/brave_browser_...
- dangerface 5y agoThey report anonymised data that can be turned off. They also connect to servers for auto updates and safe browsing checks, everything you would expect of a modern secure browser. The people upset with brave for auto updates also consider tor browser spyware because it checks for updates LOL.
- anthropodie 5y agoI read about librewolf the other day which is a fork of firefox. Edit: BTW what happens if I download Firefox from site like Softpedia.All the people who downloaded Firefox from this website have same identifier?
- hiccuphippo 5y agoYes, the article mentions Mozilla's http repository[0] and some other third party as ways to download it without a unique identifier. [0] https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/ https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
- bigbugbag 5y agoI've been using librewolf for a while after experiencing issue with waterfox. it is not really a full fork of firefox, it's firefox with a few patches applied and sane default configuration.
- yinyang_in 5y agoI see Vivaldi is good browser, operated by former opera people
- RedHobbit 5y agoI've been using Vivaldi ever since reintroduced tab stacking which I loved from the Opera days. Solid browser, no complaints.
- anthropodie 5y agoIt's closed source, right?
- UberFly 5y agoThe UI stuff on top of Chromium is closed. They don't want it ripped off I guess. Vivaldi an awesome browser for those who like to customize.
- babypuncher 5y agoVivaldi is still Chrome though
- WaxedChewbacca 5y ago
- abandonliberty 5y agoYes, I'm in Vivaldi as well. For now! We need to avoid making software/product choices part of our identity. A true firefox fan would've raised the alarm years ago, and voted with their feet when it kept moving in the wrong direction and stopped being the best option on the market. Loving a brand no matter what they do is suboptimal.
- willcipriano 5y agoLynx is the only one I trust, but it's quite limited. Everything else has my suspicion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser)
- jraph 5y agow3m too.
- alfiedotwtf 5y agoWhat's the lynx-but-graphical alternative? I just want a minimal web view and input a URL. Why doesn't this exist
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago> What's the lynx-but-graphical alternative? Dillo or elinks > I just want a minimal web view and input a URL. Surf (suckless project)
- alfiedotwtf 5y agoAlso thanks, TIL alternatives do exist
- NylaTheWolf 5y agoElinks looks like it hasn't had an update in years. There's a fork of it called Felinks [0] which seems pretty actively maintained. The last release was on December 24, 2021. [0] https://github.com/rkd77/elinks https://github.com/rkd77/elinks
- commandnotfound 5y agoIt does exist, it's called netsurf[0]. [0]: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
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- moistly 5y agoOpera was sold off to Chinese investors, and I recall stories about it offering sketchy banking/bitcoin services.
- e2le 5y agoLibreWolf is one alternative. https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/ https://privacytests.org/ https://privacytests.org/
- cmroanirgo 5y agoLooks great, but their only focus is desktop it seems (ie, no android solution)
- nanomonkey 5y agoNyxt,"the hacker's power-browser"?! https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/
- aembleton 5y agoLibrefox https://github.com/intika/Librefox/ https://github.com/intika/Librefox/
- aembleton 5y agoAs pointed out elsewhere, this is unmaintained, and you should instead use https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/
- illiac786 5y agoDoes not work with 1password for me. Seems I'm not the only one: https://www.reddit.com/r/LibreWolf/comments/qom9br/1password_browser_extenstion_desktop_application/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LibreWolf/comments/qom9br/1password...
- coffeeblack 5y agoCareful, Opera is owned by a Chinese company that is controlled by the CCP. What you want is Vivaldi.
- bigbugbag 5y agowaterfox and librewolf. then otter, seamonkey, falkon, k-meleon, srware iron, qutebrowser, comodo dragon and comodo icedragon, dooble, midori, epic. not sure if maxthon and Avant Browser are still a thing
- NylaTheWolf 5y agoI always thought Otter was just a mobile browser! Thanks for sharing! I love hearing about obscure browsers!
- jl6 5y agoHow about we try and fix this rather than walking away? All the alternatives are even worse.
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- sn41 5y agoI still often use Lynx, and eww when I am in Emacs.
- toastal 5y agoNetSurf GTK and w3m are still on the list for me
- account42 5y agoOk then how do you plan to fix this? The only outside entity who has any say what direction Mozilla takes Firefox in is the one paying them: Google.
- pigbearpig 5y agoI can. I'd still rather use Firefox than Chrome or Edge when it comes to privacy. "Firefox is dead ... Time to bury the putrid, rotting corpse" is ridiculously dramatic.
- devwastaken 5y agoMozilla as an org is a husk of it's former self. They're constantly playing catch up with Firefox, almost abandonwared thunderbird, and have little actual usable innovation. What part of Firefox is "open source" when you can't integrate in your own projects? What's the point when the tech is non portable? Chromium is the clear OS winner, so open and modular you can just make your own browsers.
- jraph 5y ago> What part of Firefox is "open source" when you can't integrate in your own projects? Let's not mix everything up. For a good debate we need clear ideas. Firefox can be built from sources available under open source licenses, it is sufficient to makes it open source. Being embeddable and modular may be desirable features but it isn't a requirement to be open source.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago> What part of Firefox is "open source" when you can't integrate in your own projects? AFAIK, all of it; there are even full independent forks running around. Just because you can't bend the code to your particular use doesn't make it not FOSS.
- onurtag 5y ago> What's the point when the tech is non portable I know that you meant something else with this, but the wording amused me as currently Firefox is the only up-to-date "portable" browser that lets you carry around your browser profile in a usb stick. Anything with Chromium deletes your extensions, passwords etc. whenever you open it in a new computer.
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- babypuncher 5y agoYou say all this as if Chrome is somehow not even worse
- UberFly 5y agoChrome is worse. Chromium is the open-source engine which is fine until someone like Google turns it into their minion.
- MrYellowP 5y agoYou make it sound like Google took Chromium and created Chrome out of it. It's the other way round.
- UberFly 5y agoThe two are separate things. Chrome is built on top of the chromium base. I guess technically chromium and chrome v1 were developed and released about the same time so chicken and egg thing.
- kgonza 5y ago
- bigbugbag 5y agoever heard of waterfox or librewolf ?
- WhyNotHugo 5y ago> Firefox is dead. It's time to move past denial. It doesn't stand for anything you think it does. I'm sad, too. Time to bury the putrid, rotting corpse. I don't disagree, it's just that I need a browser, and there's no real alternatives. Looking a lot at Librewolf. Have there been any independent audits of it?