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It is a fair comment. When open to all becomes open to these safe groups the speak becomes restricted no matter how inclusive one says they are.

by ipaddr 5y ago

JohnBooty 5y ago
It's curious that you're posting this on HN, a highly moderated community with strong community guidelines. Much stricter than Flickr's community guidelines. How do you resolve this contradiction? It must be suffocating for you to participate here.
- rjbwork 5y ago
  HN is pretty liberal in terms of the discussion it allows to take place and the breadth of ideas and viewpoints it allows to propagate. It does tend to have guidelines for tone and rules of engagement, however, and strongly discourages outright flamewars and trolling. But sure, yeah, Nazis can fuck right off, agreed.
  - JohnBooty 5y ago
    HN is pretty liberal in terms of the discussion it allows to take place and the breadth of ideas and viewpoints it allows to propagate It really, really isn't. It's one of the more tightly moderated public communities. I suggest browsing with showdead on to see how much crap gets silently removed from HN by the mods. Offtopic remarks are mercilessly downvoted into oblivion by the community. To be clear, I think the HN mods do a fantastic job. I think HN is one of the clearest examples of why strong and talented moderation is essential for high-quality discussions. Their work goes largely unheralded because they maintain a low profile, in multiple ways.
    - rjbwork 5y ago
      I've had showdead on for years and years at this point. >see how much crap gets silently removed from HN by the mods. Consistent with what I've said. >Offtopic remarks are mercilessly downvoted into oblivion by the community. Consistent with what I've said. This is not a counter argument to allowing a breadth of discussion.
- skoskie 5y ago
  What contradiction? I think you’re reading more into my comment than is there.
skoskie 5y ago
Unfortunately, any attempt to give unrestricted <anything> to people results in abuse. See: - Services that offered unlimited cloud storage. - Social communication tools used to plan crimes. - OnlyFans How does one allow NSFW "art" but not let their platform turn into just another cheap porn site? Flickr seems to be taking a stab at answering that. Time will tell if they are successful, but I hope they are.

It is a fair comment. When open to all becomes open to these safe groups the speak becomes restricted no matter how inclusive one says they are.

by ipaddr 5y ago

It is a fair comment. When open to all becomes open to these safe groups the speak becomes restricted no matter how inclusive one says they are.

JohnBooty 5y ago

It's curious that you're posting this on HN, a highly moderated community with strong community guidelines. Much stricter than Flickr's community guidelines. How do you resolve this contradiction? It must be suffocating for you to participate here.

rjbwork 5y ago
HN is pretty liberal in terms of the discussion it allows to take place and the breadth of ideas and viewpoints it allows to propagate. It does tend to have guidelines for tone and rules of engagement, however, and strongly discourages outright flamewars and trolling. But sure, yeah, Nazis can fuck right off, agreed.
- JohnBooty 5y ago
  HN is pretty liberal in terms of the discussion it allows to take place and the breadth of ideas and viewpoints it allows to propagate It really, really isn't. It's one of the more tightly moderated public communities. I suggest browsing with showdead on to see how much crap gets silently removed from HN by the mods. Offtopic remarks are mercilessly downvoted into oblivion by the community. To be clear, I think the HN mods do a fantastic job. I think HN is one of the clearest examples of why strong and talented moderation is essential for high-quality discussions. Their work goes largely unheralded because they maintain a low profile, in multiple ways.
  - rjbwork 5y ago
    I've had showdead on for years and years at this point. >see how much crap gets silently removed from HN by the mods. Consistent with what I've said. >Offtopic remarks are mercilessly downvoted into oblivion by the community. Consistent with what I've said. This is not a counter argument to allowing a breadth of discussion.
skoskie 5y ago
What contradiction? I think you’re reading more into my comment than is there.

skoskie 5y ago

Unfortunately, any attempt to give unrestricted <anything> to people results in abuse. See: - Services that offered unlimited cloud storage. - Social communication tools used to plan crimes. - OnlyFans How does one allow NSFW "art" but not let their platform turn into just another cheap porn site? Flickr seems to be taking a stab at answering that. Time will tell if they are successful, but I hope they are.