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And yet look at you, so over-the-top in opposition it might be parody, and here you are, all safe and upvoted.
by IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago
And yet look at you, so over-the-top in opposition it might be parody, and here you are, all safe and upvoted.
- ipaddr 5y agoIt is a fair comment. When open to all becomes open to these safe groups the speak becomes restricted no matter how inclusive one says they are.
- JohnBooty 5y agoIt's curious that you're posting this on HN, a highly moderated community with strong community guidelines. Much stricter than Flickr's community guidelines. How do you resolve this contradiction? It must be suffocating for you to participate here.
- rjbwork 5y agoHN is pretty liberal in terms of the discussion it allows to take place and the breadth of ideas and viewpoints it allows to propagate. It does tend to have guidelines for tone and rules of engagement, however, and strongly discourages outright flamewars and trolling. But sure, yeah, Nazis can fuck right off, agreed.
- JohnBooty 5y agoHN is pretty liberal in terms of the discussion it allows to take place and the breadth of ideas and viewpoints it allows to propagate It really, really isn't. It's one of the more tightly moderated public communities. I suggest browsing with showdead on to see how much crap gets silently removed from HN by the mods. Offtopic remarks are mercilessly downvoted into oblivion by the community. To be clear, I think the HN mods do a fantastic job. I think HN is one of the clearest examples of why strong and talented moderation is essential for high-quality discussions. Their work goes largely unheralded because they maintain a low profile, in multiple ways.
- rjbwork 5y agoI've had showdead on for years and years at this point. >see how much crap gets silently removed from HN by the mods. Consistent with what I've said. >Offtopic remarks are mercilessly downvoted into oblivion by the community. Consistent with what I've said. This is not a counter argument to allowing a breadth of discussion.
- skoskie 5y agoWhat contradiction? I think you’re reading more into my comment than is there.
- skoskie 5y agoUnfortunately, any attempt to give unrestricted <anything> to people results in abuse. See: - Services that offered unlimited cloud storage. - Social communication tools used to plan crimes. - OnlyFans How does one allow NSFW "art" but not let their platform turn into just another cheap porn site? Flickr seems to be taking a stab at answering that. Time will tell if they are successful, but I hope they are.
- JohnBooty 5y agoSafe and upvoted on HN, a highly moderated forum with strong community guidelines, no less. The irony. And yet, any time any community enforces any sort of moderation or community guidelines, an enormous wailing and gnashing of teeth in the HN comments. Funny that. HN has one of the internet's best communities, but it is also possibly the least self-aware community I've ever known.
- rjbwork 5y agoThe difference is that HN doesn't pretend to be something it's not and AFAIK the guidelines and the things dang has said over the years are pretty straight forward. It doesn't pretend to be a place for any and all opinions to have a home with no getting kicked off or whatever. I find it bizarre that my comment is being attacked for its venue, when HN has never claimed to be the type of venue which I and GP are criticizing for their doublespeak and hypocrisy.
- rjbwork 5y agoThere was no point at which I saw my post upvoted. I guess I'll have to take your word for it. But yes, this is one reason I generally like HN. I can be as unorthodox or devil's advocatey as I like and generally have a decent convo.