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I think the trained model. I don't think people will remember all the coefficients.

sidewndr46 5y ago
Right, but if the government says I have to turn over some nuts and bolts that I got through some illegal action I can just give them the location of my warehouse. Then the rightful owner can come pick them up with a government agent inspecting the process. If I have a bunch of drugs or chemicals I shouldn't have, I can give them the addresses and they can have government agents watch the destruction. If I have an algorithm (that is just a bunch of computer files) how do I prove I destroyed it? Do they literally just watch someone run "rm banned_model.bin" and then decide it's gone? It's basically impossible to prove you don't have a copy of something. There could always be a backup at another location. There could always be an encrypted copy stored somewhere that is impossible to detect. Any moderately well company has a service contract with a backup provider that acts an option of a last resort for restoring lost data. How do you get that provider to destroy their copy?
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  You're right; There's not any way to prove it's gone completely. But in the real world, these hypotheticals can be handled through increasing fines and possible jailtime for contempt of court.
- defen 5y ago
  In general, law is ok with good-faith mistakes if you obey the spirit of the law. If you forgot about an off-site backup but then deleted it when you found out about it, I doubt you'd get in much trouble. If you deliberately used a technological mechanism to evade a court order, you'd probably be in for a world of hurt if you got caught, but that's fundamentally no different than committing any other crime and hoping you don't get caught.
- Tenoke 5y ago
  You can randomly check if the company is using the model down the line as well as rely on whistleblowers. If they don't use it there's little point for them to risk a fine by keeping it.

Right, but if the government says I have to turn over some nuts and bolts that I got through some illegal action I can just give them the location of my warehouse. Then the rightful owner can come pick them up with a government agent inspecting the process. If I have a bunch of drugs or chemicals I shouldn't have, I can give them the addresses and they can have government agents watch the destruction. If I have an algorithm (that is just a bunch of computer files) how do I prove I destroyed it? Do they literally just watch someone run "rm banned_model.bin" and then decide it's gone? It's basically impossible to prove you don't have a copy of something. There could always be a backup at another location. There could always be an encrypted copy stored somewhere that is impossible to detect. Any moderately well company has a service contract with a backup provider that acts an option of a last resort for restoring lost data. How do you get that provider to destroy their copy?

colejohnson66 5y ago
You're right; There's not any way to prove it's gone completely. But in the real world, these hypotheticals can be handled through increasing fines and possible jailtime for contempt of court.
defen 5y ago
In general, law is ok with good-faith mistakes if you obey the spirit of the law. If you forgot about an off-site backup but then deleted it when you found out about it, I doubt you'd get in much trouble. If you deliberately used a technological mechanism to evade a court order, you'd probably be in for a world of hurt if you got caught, but that's fundamentally no different than committing any other crime and hoping you don't get caught.
Tenoke 5y ago
You can randomly check if the company is using the model down the line as well as rely on whistleblowers. If they don't use it there's little point for them to risk a fine by keeping it.