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Yes, all of the code that I've written over the past 15 years. The last I worked on it, I had zero bugs related to UB. The people who paid me own the code. In

Yes, all of the code that I've written over the past 15 years. The last I worked on it, I had zero bugs related to UB. The people who paid me own the code. In any case, its completely bizarre that I'm asking someone to backup their claim, which I didn't agree with, and you're asking me to prove a negative. I don't know what your intention is.

overgard 5y ago
No offense but that sounds like BS to me. I'd love to see the result of a static analysis tool on your code base
- passivate 5y ago
  Why is that BS? I prioritized and fixed all major bugs, including UB bugs and tje last I worked on it I had zero outstanding bugs of that kind. I'm not saying I never had any bugs in my code. I don't know how I am supposed to be omniscient about bugs I don't know about.
tialaramex 5y ago
> all of the code that I've written over the past 15 years. The last I worked on it, I had zero bugs related to UB. Whether you had "bugs related to UB" isn't what we were discussing though. The question was merely syntax that generates undefined behaviour, which of course C++ is so riddled with that its committee has (no joke) a sub-working group whose task is just to try to enumerate all the Undefined Behaviour in their language so that they can try to answer the question "Which behaviours are undefined?" without saying "Read the entire standards document and let us know if you figure out the answer". > The people who paid me own the code. And so I guess that's why you didn't provide any link to it. Alas, as with UFO sightings, visions of Jesus and the like - while you may be firmly convinced for everybody else it's not evidence at all. > In any case, its completely bizarre that I'm asking someone to backup their claim [...] This is very much a "What did the Romans ever do for us?" problem. You've had several takers and you've simply insisted that they don't count. Why should anybody offer more examples which you will likewise dismiss? There's a problem with C++, you've decided to ignore it, but Software Engineering is ultimately a practical discipline, your 15 years of C++ code (if we could see it) would demonstrate that.
- passivate 5y ago
  > You've had several takers and you've simply insisted that they don't count. Why should anybody offer more examples which you will likewise dismiss? Where are these takers? I must have missed them. I did not dismiss anything, I have replied to most comments. You can't pressure me into accepting arguments that I don't agree with. I will present my perspective in a polite way.

overgard 5y ago

No offense but that sounds like BS to me. I'd love to see the result of a static analysis tool on your code base

passivate 5y ago
Why is that BS? I prioritized and fixed all major bugs, including UB bugs and tje last I worked on it I had zero outstanding bugs of that kind. I'm not saying I never had any bugs in my code. I don't know how I am supposed to be omniscient about bugs I don't know about.

tialaramex 5y ago

> all of the code that I've written over the past 15 years. The last I worked on it, I had zero bugs related to UB. Whether you had "bugs related to UB" isn't what we were discussing though. The question was merely syntax that generates undefined behaviour, which of course C++ is so riddled with that its committee has (no joke) a sub-working group whose task is just to try to enumerate all the Undefined Behaviour in their language so that they can try to answer the question "Which behaviours are undefined?" without saying "Read the entire standards document and let us know if you figure out the answer". > The people who paid me own the code. And so I guess that's why you didn't provide any link to it. Alas, as with UFO sightings, visions of Jesus and the like - while you may be firmly convinced for everybody else it's not evidence at all. > In any case, its completely bizarre that I'm asking someone to backup their claim [...] This is very much a "What did the Romans ever do for us?" problem. You've had several takers and you've simply insisted that they don't count. Why should anybody offer more examples which you will likewise dismiss? There's a problem with C++, you've decided to ignore it, but Software Engineering is ultimately a practical discipline, your 15 years of C++ code (if we could see it) would demonstrate that.

passivate 5y ago
> You've had several takers and you've simply insisted that they don't count. Why should anybody offer more examples which you will likewise dismiss? Where are these takers? I must have missed them. I did not dismiss anything, I have replied to most comments. You can't pressure me into accepting arguments that I don't agree with. I will present my perspective in a polite way.