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> which is one of the reasons I do believe in God I've always found this line of reasoning interesting, because to me it just kicks the can down the road. What

• miloignis 5y ago
  The idea would be that a perfect existence must exist as a part of being perfect, thus God (or some primary existence/force). That may sound handwavey, but lets look at it the other way around - something existed "first" casually, because the universe exists. (Note I'm saying casually, I'm not ruling out something existing "forever" or getting into the existence or nonexistence of time, but something exists/existed without a cause that caused everything else.) Either that primary cause is the universe itself, for some reason, or it was something that caused the universe (force, God, whatever). It's unclear to me why the universe itself needs to exist, and to me the alternative that makes more sense that a perfect being needs to exist and caused the rest of it.
• throw0101a 5y ago
  > What created the universe? God. Ok, so what created God? The logical conclusion is that there needs to exist an Uncaused Cause: * https://tofspot.blogspot.com/2014/08/first-way-moving-tale.html https://tofspot.blogspot.com/2014/08/first-way-moving-tale.h... * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6963088-aquinas https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6963088-aquinas * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35592365-five-proofs-of-the-existence-of-god https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35592365-five-proofs-of-... If you're asking "What caused God?": * https://strangenotions.com/if-everything-requires-a-cause-what-caused-god/ https://strangenotions.com/if-everything-requires-a-cause-wh... Generally, starting with the premise "everything has a cause" is where people's problems start.