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> homeless person screaming and smashing water bottles against plate glass store windows and me is that I have a roof over my head I am sorry, but you are part

> homeless person screaming and smashing water bottles against plate glass store windows and me is that I have a roof over my head I am sorry, but you are part of the problem because, whether realising or not, you are perpetuating the. toxic idea that you must be a highly productive, psycologically stable member or society before you 'deserve' a roof over your head. I've lived in a poor country, we had plenty of alcoholics, drug addicts, wife beaters and other assorted assholes as neighbours, none of them were homeless becauae housing was cheap. It also does not take a PHD in psycology to realise that if you take one of them, and make them live on the street for a few years, their condition will deteriorate. The fact thay you have to prove that housing and housing-less are connected just shows how deep our collective head is up the arse of this new, late-stage-capitalist, neoliberal bullshit. I am not sure any CCP propaganda can be as effective. The system is plain self destructive - half the population reports that they can't afford to have kids, and the #1 expence is housing. How are you gonna have evil capitalist paradise if all the wage slaves die out? Oh, wait, what do we care, the whole planet is gonna burn up regardless. People call Chinese government evil, byt as least they have a plan that goes beyong the next quarterly report.

Workaccount2 5y ago
You don't have to be highly productive to deserve a house, you just have to be net positive productive. I don't think anyone (well some people) is against society extending a credit to help people get back on their feet, but the issue is that historically it just becomes net negative producers now being even more negative by virtue of having a living space paid for with little signs of improvement. The credit just gets written off as a compounding loss. I suggest watching Soft White Underbelly on YT, he does tons of homeless interviews and outreach trying to get people back on their feet. The solution is definitely not "just throw houses and therapy at the problem"
- ahelwer 5y ago
  Kicking grandma out onto the street because she isn't meeting her quarterly Key Performance Indicators and is not net positive productive
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  "net negative producers now being even more negative by virtue of having a living space paid for with little signs of improvement" I will accept this argument the day we finally remove net negative producers from society, like Wells Fargo, which comes up with new financial fraud every year, and gets away with it. Or snake oil salesmen that sell supplements that don't even contain whats written on the package, polluters, Tabacco and other assorted merchants of addiction and death that are all net negative to society to make a tidy profit. Additionally - if you commit murder, you get food and housing, but if you refuse to work, you starve to death? What would it cost us to make sure everyone has access to basic food like rice, 0.3% of GDP?
  - HideousKojima 5y ago
    >What would it cost us to make sure everyone has access to basic food like rice, 0.3% of GDP? If a homeless person trades their rice for money/drugs, do you propose giving them even more rice, or just letting them starve?
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      So because 20-30% of homeless people have drug problems we should let the rest of them suffer so as not to waste resources?
      - HideousKojima 5y ago
        I never said that? When that 20-30% use of a vastly disproportionate amount of the resources then I think we should create solutions that are more focused on those who actually need it, instead of blanket "just build more houses bro" solutions.
        ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        No, we should focus on 'lets dismantle the financial pyramid scheme" because it would help 70% of homeless people and 90% of society as a whole. Also because eventually this mug's game will collapse and make us all miserable. We've already been forcing people back into offices just to prop up fantasy property values in city centers.
- burner556 5y ago
  Responding to you… just because. So somebody deserves housing because they are net positive to society? Bob here sells lemonade to thirsty Bitcoin miners so we must appropriate the labor of society via taxes and build him housing? Can’t get behind that idea. Nobody deserves housing at the expense of another person’s forced labor aka taxes.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Nobody? What about people who are permanently disabled, orphans and abandoned children? Is your sence of right and wrong coming from 18th century britain?

Workaccount2 5y ago

You don't have to be highly productive to deserve a house, you just have to be net positive productive. I don't think anyone (well some people) is against society extending a credit to help people get back on their feet, but the issue is that historically it just becomes net negative producers now being even more negative by virtue of having a living space paid for with little signs of improvement. The credit just gets written off as a compounding loss. I suggest watching Soft White Underbelly on YT, he does tons of homeless interviews and outreach trying to get people back on their feet. The solution is definitely not "just throw houses and therapy at the problem"

ahelwer 5y ago
Kicking grandma out onto the street because she isn't meeting her quarterly Key Performance Indicators and is not net positive productive
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"net negative producers now being even more negative by virtue of having a living space paid for with little signs of improvement" I will accept this argument the day we finally remove net negative producers from society, like Wells Fargo, which comes up with new financial fraud every year, and gets away with it. Or snake oil salesmen that sell supplements that don't even contain whats written on the package, polluters, Tabacco and other assorted merchants of addiction and death that are all net negative to society to make a tidy profit. Additionally - if you commit murder, you get food and housing, but if you refuse to work, you starve to death? What would it cost us to make sure everyone has access to basic food like rice, 0.3% of GDP?
- HideousKojima 5y ago
  >What would it cost us to make sure everyone has access to basic food like rice, 0.3% of GDP? If a homeless person trades their rice for money/drugs, do you propose giving them even more rice, or just letting them starve?
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    So because 20-30% of homeless people have drug problems we should let the rest of them suffer so as not to waste resources?
    - HideousKojima 5y ago
      I never said that? When that 20-30% use of a vastly disproportionate amount of the resources then I think we should create solutions that are more focused on those who actually need it, instead of blanket "just build more houses bro" solutions.
      - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        No, we should focus on 'lets dismantle the financial pyramid scheme" because it would help 70% of homeless people and 90% of society as a whole. Also because eventually this mug's game will collapse and make us all miserable. We've already been forcing people back into offices just to prop up fantasy property values in city centers.
burner556 5y ago
Responding to you… just because. So somebody deserves housing because they are net positive to society? Bob here sells lemonade to thirsty Bitcoin miners so we must appropriate the labor of society via taxes and build him housing? Can’t get behind that idea. Nobody deserves housing at the expense of another person’s forced labor aka taxes.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Nobody? What about people who are permanently disabled, orphans and abandoned children? Is your sence of right and wrong coming from 18th century britain?