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Maybe it will be good to have also regions other than countries, the website claims I will die at 89 years old and that data seems wrong for 3 reasons: 1. 3 ou

Maybe it will be good to have also regions other than countries, the website claims I will die at 89 years old and that data seems wrong for 3 reasons: 1. 3 out of 4 of my grandparents are still alive and are all over 90 years old 2. Living over 90y is quite common in my area, my neighbour is something like 105y and she still goes to cut wood on her own 3. Life expectancy tends to go up so I'm expected to live longer than my parents and grandparents edit: formatting

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
>3. Life expectancy tends to go up so I'm expected to live longer than my parents and grandparents I wouldn't be surprised to see that reverse in the coming years. The modern western diet isn't very healthy compared to what your grandparents grew up on.
- maury91 5y ago
  I believe my diet is not too different from the one of my grandparents, at least compared to their diet in the last 20 years ( I can't remember before I was 10, and I don't know what they eat before I was born ). The "modern diet" hasn't really catchup here yet
- unnouinceput 5y ago
  You mean those grandparents who had childhood filled with debilitating diseases without vaccines and who were using asbestos in their young adult life? Pretty sure @maury91 going to live over 90 as he/she expects it. Genetics is still king in life expectancy.
  - oblio 5y ago
    Asbestos, leaded gasoline, various pesticides like DDT and there's a long list of stuff we banned.
    - tetris11 5y ago
      And a long list of new technologies thay we have no idea the long term effects of. I once confessed to a friend that I did not like my apartment being encircled with equidistant 5G towers due to possible standing waves, and he (probably rightfully) scoffed at me
      - lagadu 5y ago
        We may not know the long term effects of many new things but our standards for health and safety testing along with increased ability to detect and treat many health problems early definitively give us a big leg up over past generations.
      - thombat 5y ago
        5G spectrum is various bands from 700MHz -> 95GHz [1]. So the corresponding wavelengths range from 45cm down to 3mm - if constructive interference is a concern than rather than worry about the siting of your apartment it's the positioning of your sofa and how deeply you breathe that matters. [1] https://www.rfpage.com/what-are-5g-frequency-bands/ https://www.rfpage.com/what-are-5g-frequency-bands/
        tetris11 5y ago
        thanks for this link, and the context
      - oblio 5y ago
        We don't know the long term effects of any invention, but... At least we <<think>> of them and <<plan>> for them now. Some stuff we can analyze based on similar materials, technologies, and we can extrapolate. We can even design tests to age them and see what happens. There's a reason everything is more complex these days, because we're starting to add a magic word to everything: <<sustainability>> (i.e.: does it kill us directly or or does it kill the environment around us, ergo killing us indirectly?). Ignoring this aspect would mean that we assume humans never learn, which is provably false.
  - seer 5y ago
    > Genetics is still king in life expectancy. Heard on the Lifespan podcast that recent studies of twins suggest genetics determine about 20% of your longevity, the rest is all environment / diet / lifestyle / stress etc. I hope that's not been disproven by newer studies that I haven't heard about? Almost all of my grandparents and parents have already died at (much) younger than average age, and I am really hoping the science about this is right otherwise its not looking good for me.
    - maury91 5y ago
      My hometown I believe ticks all 4 of the things you mentioned. So I agree with you that genetics is a minor part of the equation This is a personal anecdote of mine: I lived in 3 nations: Sardinia ( hometown ), London and Vilnius. I do a lot of running and I love collecting data, something I noticed is that every time I go back to my hometown my VO2 max starts skyrocketing, after training as little as 3 weeks in my hometown it goes up by more than 10 points, when I go back it starts declining slowly until it goes back to slightly above the value when I left. I do believe there must be something special about the environment, I do continue working from home when I'm in my hometown to stay longer, so it is not an holiday effect, my diet actually goes worst when I go back home because I go a lot to restaurants that I missed. And even with worst diet my fitness improves fast ( I run faster with same HR ( even for a while when I'm back ), VO2 and race predictor improves drastically), my stress goes down and my sleep score almost maxes out ( 98/100 )
      - jsjohnst 5y ago
        If it’s so great (which it sounds like it from your description), then why don’t you just stay there?
        maury91 5y ago
        Same reason why everyone leaves ( and at some point comes back ), career. I did leave the first time ( for London ) for work, came back 3 years later but had to leave again because my wife had trouble find a job in Sardinia ( she doesn't speak Italian ), maybe we will go back to Sardinia in the future when both our careers will be fully remote
  - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
    The figures say otherwise: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2756187 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/27561...
    - maury91 5y ago
      I'm not from US, the article says "US life expectancy has not kept pace with that of other wealthy countries and is now decreasing."
sjmm1989 5y ago
Big props to the elderly lady cutting her own wood.
jotm 5y ago
It's highly unlikely, but they could "make sure" of it. That's why you don't use your real information on sketchy websites :P
- maury91 5y ago
  It will be enough just to differentiate between Italy and Sardinia, they are very different
Sebb767 5y ago
> 1. 3 out of 4 of my grandparents are still alive and are all over 90 years old > > 2. Living over 90y is quite common in my area, my neighbour is something like 105y and she still goes to cut wood on her own Just because a few people live longer doesn't necessarily invalidate the statistics. Even if your genetics and living environment allow for a healthy lifestyle, there's still a chance that you're killed by an accident or crime in the next half century. So 89 years seems like a good estimate, even if your environment theoretically allows you to live longer. Also, technically, your life expectancy will rise the longer you life :-)
- maury91 5y ago
  Being murdered in my province requires some effort, last homicide in my city was ~40 years ago. That murder was so unexpected that it had repercussions that are still in place today

tonyedgecombe 5y ago

>3. Life expectancy tends to go up so I'm expected to live longer than my parents and grandparents I wouldn't be surprised to see that reverse in the coming years. The modern western diet isn't very healthy compared to what your grandparents grew up on.

maury91 5y ago
I believe my diet is not too different from the one of my grandparents, at least compared to their diet in the last 20 years ( I can't remember before I was 10, and I don't know what they eat before I was born ). The "modern diet" hasn't really catchup here yet
unnouinceput 5y ago
You mean those grandparents who had childhood filled with debilitating diseases without vaccines and who were using asbestos in their young adult life? Pretty sure @maury91 going to live over 90 as he/she expects it. Genetics is still king in life expectancy.
- oblio 5y ago
  Asbestos, leaded gasoline, various pesticides like DDT and there's a long list of stuff we banned.
  - tetris11 5y ago
    And a long list of new technologies thay we have no idea the long term effects of. I once confessed to a friend that I did not like my apartment being encircled with equidistant 5G towers due to possible standing waves, and he (probably rightfully) scoffed at me
    - lagadu 5y ago
      We may not know the long term effects of many new things but our standards for health and safety testing along with increased ability to detect and treat many health problems early definitively give us a big leg up over past generations.
    - thombat 5y ago
      5G spectrum is various bands from 700MHz -> 95GHz [1]. So the corresponding wavelengths range from 45cm down to 3mm - if constructive interference is a concern than rather than worry about the siting of your apartment it's the positioning of your sofa and how deeply you breathe that matters. [1] https://www.rfpage.com/what-are-5g-frequency-bands/ https://www.rfpage.com/what-are-5g-frequency-bands/
      - tetris11 5y ago
        thanks for this link, and the context
    - oblio 5y ago
      We don't know the long term effects of any invention, but... At least we <<think>> of them and <<plan>> for them now. Some stuff we can analyze based on similar materials, technologies, and we can extrapolate. We can even design tests to age them and see what happens. There's a reason everything is more complex these days, because we're starting to add a magic word to everything: <<sustainability>> (i.e.: does it kill us directly or or does it kill the environment around us, ergo killing us indirectly?). Ignoring this aspect would mean that we assume humans never learn, which is provably false.
- seer 5y ago
  > Genetics is still king in life expectancy. Heard on the Lifespan podcast that recent studies of twins suggest genetics determine about 20% of your longevity, the rest is all environment / diet / lifestyle / stress etc. I hope that's not been disproven by newer studies that I haven't heard about? Almost all of my grandparents and parents have already died at (much) younger than average age, and I am really hoping the science about this is right otherwise its not looking good for me.
  - maury91 5y ago
    My hometown I believe ticks all 4 of the things you mentioned. So I agree with you that genetics is a minor part of the equation This is a personal anecdote of mine: I lived in 3 nations: Sardinia ( hometown ), London and Vilnius. I do a lot of running and I love collecting data, something I noticed is that every time I go back to my hometown my VO2 max starts skyrocketing, after training as little as 3 weeks in my hometown it goes up by more than 10 points, when I go back it starts declining slowly until it goes back to slightly above the value when I left. I do believe there must be something special about the environment, I do continue working from home when I'm in my hometown to stay longer, so it is not an holiday effect, my diet actually goes worst when I go back home because I go a lot to restaurants that I missed. And even with worst diet my fitness improves fast ( I run faster with same HR ( even for a while when I'm back ), VO2 and race predictor improves drastically), my stress goes down and my sleep score almost maxes out ( 98/100 )
    - jsjohnst 5y ago
      If it’s so great (which it sounds like it from your description), then why don’t you just stay there?
      - maury91 5y ago
        Same reason why everyone leaves ( and at some point comes back ), career. I did leave the first time ( for London ) for work, came back 3 years later but had to leave again because my wife had trouble find a job in Sardinia ( she doesn't speak Italian ), maybe we will go back to Sardinia in the future when both our careers will be fully remote
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  The figures say otherwise: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2756187 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/27561...
  - maury91 5y ago
    I'm not from US, the article says "US life expectancy has not kept pace with that of other wealthy countries and is now decreasing."

sjmm1989 5y ago

Big props to the elderly lady cutting her own wood.

jotm 5y ago

It's highly unlikely, but they could "make sure" of it. That's why you don't use your real information on sketchy websites :P

maury91 5y ago
It will be enough just to differentiate between Italy and Sardinia, they are very different

Sebb767 5y ago

> 1. 3 out of 4 of my grandparents are still alive and are all over 90 years old > > 2. Living over 90y is quite common in my area, my neighbour is something like 105y and she still goes to cut wood on her own Just because a few people live longer doesn't necessarily invalidate the statistics. Even if your genetics and living environment allow for a healthy lifestyle, there's still a chance that you're killed by an accident or crime in the next half century. So 89 years seems like a good estimate, even if your environment theoretically allows you to live longer. Also, technically, your life expectancy will rise the longer you life :-)

maury91 5y ago
Being murdered in my province requires some effort, last homicide in my city was ~40 years ago. That murder was so unexpected that it had repercussions that are still in place today