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In my experience, it's not fruitful to argue with folks like you. You're just going to believe what you believe, as if politics and current events are football

by _ktx2 5y ago

In my experience, it's not fruitful to argue with folks like you. You're just going to believe what you believe, as if politics and current events are football or religion. Best of luck.

pfkurtz 5y ago
PG proved right! But honestly, I stated my "priors" unequivocally, with specific examples of current legislation that's coming from only one side, and you went "both sides", didn't answer a specific thing, and left in a huff? What conclusion do you actually think I'm drawing about this interaction. You posted on my comment.
- _ktx2 5y ago
  You didn't mention any current legislation specifically, just that there's legislation on-going. > you went "both sides" I don't know why people like you act like this is a bad thing. The left isn't good, or really great. In fact, it kind of sucks, just a little less than the right. White-bashing has become common place and acceptable in left-leaning circles, misandry has taken off like never before, when I was living in San Diego I watched self-proclaimed leftists in Ocean Beach dressed in all black, helmets, and baseball gear beat the shit out of people with bikes, knives, and CS gas. A prominent antisemite has been allowed to not only stay in office but also continue in committees and receives praise to this day. On the other hand, you're right that the right has allowed bad behavior to make it into the actual representational ranks with those like MTG (there are more, just an example). From my perspective, that doesn't make the left any much better than the right, other than that they have some material functions within the DNC that allow them to keep those kinds of people (who are still constituents) away. I do think the RNC needs to implement these functions, and I understand why they didn't, but the US never would've gotten a world with Donald Trump had the right implemented super delegates the way the left does. Maybe instead of acting like the left is a rosy and immaculate institution you should examine the fractures in the facade that people try to cover up with warm rhetoric.
  - pfkurtz 5y ago
    Current lists of the laws I have in mind, YMMV, but there's some good stuff in here (by which I mean assaults on freedom of expression from one and only one political quadrant). https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/school-policy-bills/ https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/schoo... https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/anti-transgender-legislation/ https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/anti-... FindLaw is a pretty ideologically neutral resource: https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/book-banning-efforts-are-on-the-rise-what-does-the-law-say/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/book-banning... https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/understanding-floridas-dont-say-gay-bill/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/understandin... https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/can-academic-freedom-survive-the-critical-race-theory-backlash-in-legislatures/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/can-academic... I could go on and on but you'll see it or you'll find reasons not to. This comes from one political quadrant. There is no other side to this issue, which is the issue I've been discussing. I don't know what to tell you to get you to see that substituting some rioting anarchist self-proclaimed leftists who have no representation in our politics for the liberals I referred to is insulting to my intelligence.
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    - _ktx2 5y ago
      Some things from that indexer you linked are problematic, but others certainly aren't. As I said, I don't question that the right does bad things with their power. I do question your denial that the left does. It seems odd to me that so many right and left folks don't question their own camps, or worse, have gotten to the point where they play no true scotsman with bad behavior: > I don't know what to tell you to get you to see that substituting some rioting anarchist self-proclaimed leftists who have no representation in our politics for the liberals I referred to is insulting to my intelligence. I guess one primary differentiator in our views is that you view the actions of representatives as more important than the actions and hegemony of constituents. I do not.

by _ktx2 5y ago

In my experience, it's not fruitful to argue with folks like you. You're just going to believe what you believe, as if politics and current events are football or religion. Best of luck.

pfkurtz 5y ago

PG proved right! But honestly, I stated my "priors" unequivocally, with specific examples of current legislation that's coming from only one side, and you went "both sides", didn't answer a specific thing, and left in a huff? What conclusion do you actually think I'm drawing about this interaction. You posted on my comment.

_ktx2 5y ago
You didn't mention any current legislation specifically, just that there's legislation on-going. > you went "both sides" I don't know why people like you act like this is a bad thing. The left isn't good, or really great. In fact, it kind of sucks, just a little less than the right. White-bashing has become common place and acceptable in left-leaning circles, misandry has taken off like never before, when I was living in San Diego I watched self-proclaimed leftists in Ocean Beach dressed in all black, helmets, and baseball gear beat the shit out of people with bikes, knives, and CS gas. A prominent antisemite has been allowed to not only stay in office but also continue in committees and receives praise to this day. On the other hand, you're right that the right has allowed bad behavior to make it into the actual representational ranks with those like MTG (there are more, just an example). From my perspective, that doesn't make the left any much better than the right, other than that they have some material functions within the DNC that allow them to keep those kinds of people (who are still constituents) away. I do think the RNC needs to implement these functions, and I understand why they didn't, but the US never would've gotten a world with Donald Trump had the right implemented super delegates the way the left does. Maybe instead of acting like the left is a rosy and immaculate institution you should examine the fractures in the facade that people try to cover up with warm rhetoric.
- pfkurtz 5y ago
  Current lists of the laws I have in mind, YMMV, but there's some good stuff in here (by which I mean assaults on freedom of expression from one and only one political quadrant). https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/school-policy-bills/ https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/schoo... https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/anti-transgender-legislation/ https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/anti-... FindLaw is a pretty ideologically neutral resource: https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/book-banning-efforts-are-on-the-rise-what-does-the-law-say/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/book-banning... https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/understanding-floridas-dont-say-gay-bill/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/understandin... https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/can-academic-freedom-survive-the-critical-race-theory-backlash-in-legislatures/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/can-academic... I could go on and on but you'll see it or you'll find reasons not to. This comes from one political quadrant. There is no other side to this issue, which is the issue I've been discussing. I don't know what to tell you to get you to see that substituting some rioting anarchist self-proclaimed leftists who have no representation in our politics for the liberals I referred to is insulting to my intelligence.
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  - _ktx2 5y ago
    Some things from that indexer you linked are problematic, but others certainly aren't. As I said, I don't question that the right does bad things with their power. I do question your denial that the left does. It seems odd to me that so many right and left folks don't question their own camps, or worse, have gotten to the point where they play no true scotsman with bad behavior: > I don't know what to tell you to get you to see that substituting some rioting anarchist self-proclaimed leftists who have no representation in our politics for the liberals I referred to is insulting to my intelligence. I guess one primary differentiator in our views is that you view the actions of representatives as more important than the actions and hegemony of constituents. I do not.