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Jesus Christ, work til you die eh? For a lot of people, what is even the point of living if there's no retirement to enjoy? They are an extractive class insof

by tomc1985 5y ago

Jesus Christ, work til you die eh? For a lot of people, what is even the point of living if there's no retirement to enjoy? They are an extractive class insofar as their present contributions are net negative. But you are forgetting they likely spent their entire life building up that account, both in terms of an actual retirement and the broader accounting of total life's contributions. Indeed, it is something that hopefully you and I will enjoy one day, because we've earned it. That idea reeks of short-term thinking, and a world of endless work for no reward as your worth goes to 0 once you stop contributing.

anonporridge 5y ago
> Jesus Christ, work til you die eh? That is the normal human experience. But also not what I'm suggesting.
- tomc1985 5y ago
  Among the poverty-striken, sure. But nearly every society has some form of elder care.
  - anonporridge 5y ago
    True, but almost every society expects its elders to still do some kind of work, usually house work and child care, which helps free the healthy adults to do the more difficult work. Those who can't do that are usually very close to death.
    - tomc1985 5y ago
      So then what is the complaint? They are indeed contributing to society. We enjoy the level of technological advancement that we do because our innovators are free to innovate, and not wasting their time on prosaic matters (because the elders cover that for them)
tonguez 5y ago
"For a lot of people, what is even the point of living if there's no retirement to enjoy?" The point is you are supposed to be helping other people in some way. Not just being a useless turd and forcing young functional people pay rent to you so that you can do nothing but sit on your fat ass and shit in your diaper. They also lived in a society that was much more prosperous than any young person ever will. Considering that now everything is ruined, it's hard not to look at them and imagine they share some small part of the blame. Maybe if people cared less about saving up a big sum for themselves to "enjoy their retirement", aka being a self-centered moron, then the world wouldn't be such a shithole today.
- tomc1985 5y ago
  > forcing young functional people pay rent to you so that you can do nothing but sit on your fat ass and shit in your diaper. They own the house, which they bought and paid for. It is their property to rent or not rent as they see fit. You pay money for said privilege. They are not squatting on communal property, and short of returning it to the market the property would otherwise sit unused and wasted. Are you saying that young "functional" people should have free housing? Most of you had some for 18, 20, maybe even 25+ years with your parents. Is it that you want that to last forever? Do you guys think you are Peter Pan or somethign? > Considering that now everything is ruined, it's hard not to look at them and imagine they share some small part of the blame. Don't let generational nihilism color your vision so much. There is a world of opportunity out there, especially here in the US, but young people think said opportunity looks like Twitch streaming or professional influencing or pretending that are innovating, but it's not. If those kids would pull their heads out of their asses and start learning how to be boring they will find there is lots of ways to get ahead in life, and that there aren't a lot of easy answers on YouTube. "Everything is ruined"... like, c'mon, if that's really what you think then you've barely even lived
  - JaimeThompson 5y ago
    >Don't let generational nihilism color your vision so much. >but young people think said opportunity looks like Twitch streaming or professional influencing or pretending that are innovating Physician, heal thyself

anonporridge 5y ago

> Jesus Christ, work til you die eh? That is the normal human experience. But also not what I'm suggesting.

tomc1985 5y ago
Among the poverty-striken, sure. But nearly every society has some form of elder care.
- anonporridge 5y ago
  True, but almost every society expects its elders to still do some kind of work, usually house work and child care, which helps free the healthy adults to do the more difficult work. Those who can't do that are usually very close to death.
  - tomc1985 5y ago
    So then what is the complaint? They are indeed contributing to society. We enjoy the level of technological advancement that we do because our innovators are free to innovate, and not wasting their time on prosaic matters (because the elders cover that for them)

tonguez 5y ago

"For a lot of people, what is even the point of living if there's no retirement to enjoy?" The point is you are supposed to be helping other people in some way. Not just being a useless turd and forcing young functional people pay rent to you so that you can do nothing but sit on your fat ass and shit in your diaper. They also lived in a society that was much more prosperous than any young person ever will. Considering that now everything is ruined, it's hard not to look at them and imagine they share some small part of the blame. Maybe if people cared less about saving up a big sum for themselves to "enjoy their retirement", aka being a self-centered moron, then the world wouldn't be such a shithole today.

tomc1985 5y ago
> forcing young functional people pay rent to you so that you can do nothing but sit on your fat ass and shit in your diaper. They own the house, which they bought and paid for. It is their property to rent or not rent as they see fit. You pay money for said privilege. They are not squatting on communal property, and short of returning it to the market the property would otherwise sit unused and wasted. Are you saying that young "functional" people should have free housing? Most of you had some for 18, 20, maybe even 25+ years with your parents. Is it that you want that to last forever? Do you guys think you are Peter Pan or somethign? > Considering that now everything is ruined, it's hard not to look at them and imagine they share some small part of the blame. Don't let generational nihilism color your vision so much. There is a world of opportunity out there, especially here in the US, but young people think said opportunity looks like Twitch streaming or professional influencing or pretending that are innovating, but it's not. If those kids would pull their heads out of their asses and start learning how to be boring they will find there is lots of ways to get ahead in life, and that there aren't a lot of easy answers on YouTube. "Everything is ruined"... like, c'mon, if that's really what you think then you've barely even lived
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  >Don't let generational nihilism color your vision so much. >but young people think said opportunity looks like Twitch streaming or professional influencing or pretending that are innovating Physician, heal thyself