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The identity politics of today supports the notion that a 13 year old has the right to go down into irreversible paths if they have been brainwashed by the inte

The identity politics of today supports the notion that a 13 year old has the right to go down into irreversible paths if they have been brainwashed by the internet that being trans is cool. And that has nothing to do with an open source operating system.

klyrs 5y ago
Actually, the current guidelines by health authorities do not allow irreversible treatments for minors. They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible. Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation. But, don't forget the nonconsensual genital mutilation of infants. It's waning in popularity, but still incredibly common both in males and children with ambiguous genitalia. > And that has nothing to do with an open source operating system. That presumes an ideal, spherical, frictionless maintainer/contributer in a vacuum. Open source operating systems are developed and used by real humans.
- nihop 5y ago
  > Actually, the current guidelines by health authorities do not allow irreversible treatments for minors. Nonetheless, girls under the age of 18 are having their healthy breasts removed for reasons of 'gender affirmation'. With some bitterly regretting it when they become adults. Here's one particularly shocking example of this being done, to a 13-year-old girl: https://4w.pub/tiktok-gender-doctor-per-breast-removal-on-13-year-old-girl/ https://4w.pub/tiktok-gender-doctor-per-breast-removal-on-13... And here's a peer-reviewed paper describing a cohort who had such surgery, many of whom were minors: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2674039 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abst... (see the figure titled "Age at Chest Surgery in the Postsurgical Cohort" - it shows that 33 of the 68 study participants were under the age of 18 when they had the surgery). > They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible. It's only reversible up to a point. And the long-term side effects of using these drugs for children with a gender dysphoria diagnosis (who may be prescribed these at a later age range than children with precocious puberty) are unknown. There is currently much concern within the medical establishment about potentially damaging effects on teenage brain and bone development. > Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation. The commenter above used strong language, but that does indeed seem to be what is happening for many young people in this situation. Here's a fascinating account of one detransitioner about what she went through regarding this: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name, well worth reading for anyone with a passing interest in this topic.
- gruez 5y ago
  > They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible. Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation. Source? I don't have a good source either way, but I most recently heard the issue described in the economist and their description definitely doesn't seem reversible. >There are mounting worries about the use of puberty-blockers, which may be given to trans-identifying children from about the age of nine, and the cross-sex hormones that in most cases follow. Blockers have not undergone a clinical trial for this purpose. They prevent bones from developing properly and may affect brain development. When combined with cross-sex hormones they can lead to infertility and inability to have an orgasm. Several countries are curtailing their use. https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/03/05/dont-mess-with-minors-sex-in-texas https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/03/05/dont-mess...

klyrs 5y ago

Actually, the current guidelines by health authorities do not allow irreversible treatments for minors. They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible. Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation. But, don't forget the nonconsensual genital mutilation of infants. It's waning in popularity, but still incredibly common both in males and children with ambiguous genitalia. > And that has nothing to do with an open source operating system. That presumes an ideal, spherical, frictionless maintainer/contributer in a vacuum. Open source operating systems are developed and used by real humans.

nihop 5y ago
> Actually, the current guidelines by health authorities do not allow irreversible treatments for minors. Nonetheless, girls under the age of 18 are having their healthy breasts removed for reasons of 'gender affirmation'. With some bitterly regretting it when they become adults. Here's one particularly shocking example of this being done, to a 13-year-old girl: https://4w.pub/tiktok-gender-doctor-per-breast-removal-on-13-year-old-girl/ https://4w.pub/tiktok-gender-doctor-per-breast-removal-on-13... And here's a peer-reviewed paper describing a cohort who had such surgery, many of whom were minors: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2674039 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abst... (see the figure titled "Age at Chest Surgery in the Postsurgical Cohort" - it shows that 33 of the 68 study participants were under the age of 18 when they had the surgery). > They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible. It's only reversible up to a point. And the long-term side effects of using these drugs for children with a gender dysphoria diagnosis (who may be prescribed these at a later age range than children with precocious puberty) are unknown. There is currently much concern within the medical establishment about potentially damaging effects on teenage brain and bone development. > Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation. The commenter above used strong language, but that does indeed seem to be what is happening for many young people in this situation. Here's a fascinating account of one detransitioner about what she went through regarding this: https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name https://lacroicsz.substack.com/p/by-any-other-name, well worth reading for anyone with a passing interest in this topic.
gruez 5y ago
> They do allow puberty blockers, which are commonly used in cisgender children who experience precocious puberty, and are reversible. Your claim of brainwashing is unhelpful to any conversation. Source? I don't have a good source either way, but I most recently heard the issue described in the economist and their description definitely doesn't seem reversible. >There are mounting worries about the use of puberty-blockers, which may be given to trans-identifying children from about the age of nine, and the cross-sex hormones that in most cases follow. Blockers have not undergone a clinical trial for this purpose. They prevent bones from developing properly and may affect brain development. When combined with cross-sex hormones they can lead to infertility and inability to have an orgasm. Several countries are curtailing their use. https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/03/05/dont-mess-with-minors-sex-in-texas https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/03/05/dont-mess...