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I mean... assuming the Russians have anything that works is probably not a great assumption based on their performance in Ukraine. But I think they provide ove

I mean... assuming the Russians have anything that works is probably not a great assumption based on their performance in Ukraine. But I think they provide overlapping, but different, roles. But missiles and torpedoes is why aircraft carriers travel in carrier groups that have defensive capabilities against torpedoes and missiles.

mcast 5y ago
It wouldn’t make much sense for Russia to show their cards and use modern war tech on Ukraine, a country with a (relatively) primitive military. They’re barely even using fighter jets.
- water8 5y ago
  Except for the fact that they are https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/14/us/russia-ukraine-weapons-decoy.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/14/us/r...
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- RobertMiller 5y ago
  > They’re barely even using fighter jets. Maybe because they've barely been training those pilots and know the planes would likely be lost if used above Ukraine? Pilots in the Russian Air Force have supposedly been averaging less than 100 flight hours a year, which is next to nothing.
  - justsomehnguy 5y ago
    With all their operations in (and supporting) Syria I would doubt the number. It is not the amount of USAF pilots, but should be more than that.
    - RobertMiller 5y ago
      That number supposedly comes from official Russian sources. I say supposedly because I don't understand Russian and have to trust western sources about this, but these numbers have been widely disseminated for years and seem to be broadly treated as credible.
- smachiz 5y ago
  If you think their strategy is to lull someone else into attacking them, I guess? Occam’s razor is more likely - the west vastly overestimated their capability practically the entirety of the Cold War, and you’re doing it again now.
- greedo 5y ago
  They are using modern tech, and it's getting wiped out. Their tanks are modern, their artillery is modern, their fighters are modern. And they're all getting wiped out. Tanks being used by Russia in Ukraine: T-72A T-72B3 OBR.2016 T-80BV T-80U T-80BVM T-90A IFVs: BMP2 BMP3 BMD4M SAMs: Tor Buk Pantsir Fighters and Helos: SU-25 SU-30/35 Su-34 Mi-24/35 KA-52 Mi-28 None of this is "monkey model" stuff like the the USSR sent to client states. These are all top of the line. Same with the artillery and missiles used. All the best the Russians have in any decent numbers.
chrisco255 5y ago
Yes, Russia has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, they absolutely work and it's unwise to base your opinions on their nuclear and tactical capabilities based on their slow advance into Ukraine. The Poseidon is a 100 megaton nuclear torpedo. It doesn't need to get anywhere near a carrier group to knock out the entire group. It is twice as powerful as the largest nuke ever detonated (at 57megatons) and a Russian sub can carry four of these torpedoes: “All buildings in the village of Severny (both wooden and brick), located 55 km (34 mi) from ground zero within the Sukhoy Nos test range, were destroyed. In districts hundreds of kilometers from ground zero wooden houses were destroyed, stone ones lost their roofs, windows, doors, and radio communications were interrupted for almost one hour. One participant in the test saw a bright flash through dark goggles and felt the effects of a thermal pulse even at a distance of 270 kilometres (170 mi). The heat from the explosion could have caused third degree burns 100 km (62 mi) away from ground zero. A shock wave was observed in the air at Dikson settlement 700 km (430 mi) away; windowpanes were partially broken to distances of 900 kilometres (560 mi)." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
- smachiz 5y ago
  - chrisco255 5y ago
    I'm a tenth generation American. Pointing out facts is called being a realist. And I'm not impressed with a bunch of armchair generals that think that war with Russia would be easy because their Tik Tok feed told them so.
    - smachiz 5y ago
    - rootusrootus 5y ago
      Nobody says war with Russia would be easy, but a fairly plausible prediction is that it would be short.

mcast 5y ago

It wouldn’t make much sense for Russia to show their cards and use modern war tech on Ukraine, a country with a (relatively) primitive military. They’re barely even using fighter jets.

water8 5y ago
Except for the fact that they are https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/14/us/russia-ukraine-weapons-decoy.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/03/14/us/r...
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RobertMiller 5y ago
> They’re barely even using fighter jets. Maybe because they've barely been training those pilots and know the planes would likely be lost if used above Ukraine? Pilots in the Russian Air Force have supposedly been averaging less than 100 flight hours a year, which is next to nothing.
- justsomehnguy 5y ago
  With all their operations in (and supporting) Syria I would doubt the number. It is not the amount of USAF pilots, but should be more than that.
  - RobertMiller 5y ago
    That number supposedly comes from official Russian sources. I say supposedly because I don't understand Russian and have to trust western sources about this, but these numbers have been widely disseminated for years and seem to be broadly treated as credible.
smachiz 5y ago
If you think their strategy is to lull someone else into attacking them, I guess? Occam’s razor is more likely - the west vastly overestimated their capability practically the entirety of the Cold War, and you’re doing it again now.
greedo 5y ago
They are using modern tech, and it's getting wiped out. Their tanks are modern, their artillery is modern, their fighters are modern. And they're all getting wiped out. Tanks being used by Russia in Ukraine: T-72A T-72B3 OBR.2016 T-80BV T-80U T-80BVM T-90A IFVs: BMP2 BMP3 BMD4M SAMs: Tor Buk Pantsir Fighters and Helos: SU-25 SU-30/35 Su-34 Mi-24/35 KA-52 Mi-28 None of this is "monkey model" stuff like the the USSR sent to client states. These are all top of the line. Same with the artillery and missiles used. All the best the Russians have in any decent numbers.

chrisco255 5y ago

Yes, Russia has the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, they absolutely work and it's unwise to base your opinions on their nuclear and tactical capabilities based on their slow advance into Ukraine. The Poseidon is a 100 megaton nuclear torpedo. It doesn't need to get anywhere near a carrier group to knock out the entire group. It is twice as powerful as the largest nuke ever detonated (at 57megatons) and a Russian sub can carry four of these torpedoes: “All buildings in the village of Severny (both wooden and brick), located 55 km (34 mi) from ground zero within the Sukhoy Nos test range, were destroyed. In districts hundreds of kilometers from ground zero wooden houses were destroyed, stone ones lost their roofs, windows, doors, and radio communications were interrupted for almost one hour. One participant in the test saw a bright flash through dark goggles and felt the effects of a thermal pulse even at a distance of 270 kilometres (170 mi). The heat from the explosion could have caused third degree burns 100 km (62 mi) away from ground zero. A shock wave was observed in the air at Dikson settlement 700 km (430 mi) away; windowpanes were partially broken to distances of 900 kilometres (560 mi)." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

smachiz 5y ago
- chrisco255 5y ago
  I'm a tenth generation American. Pointing out facts is called being a realist. And I'm not impressed with a bunch of armchair generals that think that war with Russia would be easy because their Tik Tok feed told them so.
  - smachiz 5y ago
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    Nobody says war with Russia would be easy, but a fairly plausible prediction is that it would be short.