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If by "suddenly" you mean "with 5 months notice."

by anamexis 5y ago

rat9988 5y ago
After many years of service making it hard to remove, and a non negligible cost.
- KronisLV 5y ago
  > After many years of service making it hard to remove... Would you rather they go under as a company, due to how badly their attempts at monetizing containers have failed in the past and then have Docker Desktop not be maintained at all and have Docker as a whole take a noticeable hit? > ...and a non negligible cost. I'd say that perhaps using either Docker with the CLI, IDE integrations/plugins or using Rancher Desktop (https://rancherdesktop.io/ https://rancherdesktop.io/) are more cost effective alternatives in that case.
- glenngillen 5y ago
  So the thing that makes this egregious is they let you use it for free for _almost a decade_, while they fumbled finding an alternative monetisation strategy?
  - rat9988 5y ago
    Spin however you want, I am sympathetic toward their situation, it doesn't make it appreciable nonetheless.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
Those 5 months are irrelevant when companies have invested years of development effort in weaving docker into their workflow. It's a bait and switch, simple as that.
- anamexis 5y ago
  I would argue it's only bait and switch if they implied that it would always be free.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    Did they say from the beginning "Hey, it's free for now, but brace yourselves, we'll start charging you at some point in the future"?
    - anamexis 5y ago
      I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they've been explicit for a quite awhile about Docker Enterprise being their product for organizations. https://web.archive.org/web/20200101044220/https://www.docker.com/products/docker-desktop https://web.archive.org/web/20200101044220/https://www.docke...
    - Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
      Did they say from the beginning * "Hey, it's free forever!" * ? If they made it explicit that it is free forever, then I would agree with your stance that Docker in the wrong. But so far I couldn't find a shred of information indicating that Docker commercial/enterprise account will be free forever. So that didn't put Docker in a wrong. And be realistic of this world, you cannot expect software companies to survive on free account alone forever. Who is paying the servers to keep it up? Docker. Who is providing the support? Docker. Who paying the developers to keep Docker products updated and introduce new features? Docker. How could Docker survive without the cash flow with the free account forever. I mean Google, Microsoft, Chococately, Homebrew/Brew, etc have commercial licenses to cover the cost of their products to keep it free for personal-use users. If you don't see this coming, well I don't what to tell you but that is the cost of doing business.
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      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
- david38 5y ago
  If you didn’t pay for it, you can only have zero expectations, simple as that. You can provide something for free, not make any promises that it will be free with upgrades in perpetuity, and one day decide to stop. It’s as simple as that.
  - kcb 5y ago
    > If you didn’t pay for it, you can only have zero expectations, simple as that. Says who? There's plenty of free as in didn't transact dollars for software that I have extremely high expectations for. Visual Studio Code, Gmail, Github, etc. When they one day decide to stop I can also choose to be disappointed, not buy and no longer use their software. It's as simple as that.
    - anamexis 5y ago
      I think there's a distinction to be made between B2C and B2B there. Gmail and Github are not free for businesses (and Docker is still free for individuals).
- Foobar8568 5y ago
  You are betting your company worklow/future without contracts?

If by "suddenly" you mean "with 5 months notice."

rat9988 5y ago

After many years of service making it hard to remove, and a non negligible cost.

KronisLV 5y ago
> After many years of service making it hard to remove... Would you rather they go under as a company, due to how badly their attempts at monetizing containers have failed in the past and then have Docker Desktop not be maintained at all and have Docker as a whole take a noticeable hit? > ...and a non negligible cost. I'd say that perhaps using either Docker with the CLI, IDE integrations/plugins or using Rancher Desktop (https://rancherdesktop.io/ https://rancherdesktop.io/) are more cost effective alternatives in that case.
glenngillen 5y ago
So the thing that makes this egregious is they let you use it for free for _almost a decade_, while they fumbled finding an alternative monetisation strategy?
- rat9988 5y ago
  Spin however you want, I am sympathetic toward their situation, it doesn't make it appreciable nonetheless.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

Those 5 months are irrelevant when companies have invested years of development effort in weaving docker into their workflow. It's a bait and switch, simple as that.

anamexis 5y ago
I would argue it's only bait and switch if they implied that it would always be free.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Did they say from the beginning "Hey, it's free for now, but brace yourselves, we'll start charging you at some point in the future"?
  - anamexis 5y ago
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they've been explicit for a quite awhile about Docker Enterprise being their product for organizations. https://web.archive.org/web/20200101044220/https://www.docker.com/products/docker-desktop https://web.archive.org/web/20200101044220/https://www.docke...
  - Isthatablackgsd 5y ago
    Did they say from the beginning * "Hey, it's free forever!" * ? If they made it explicit that it is free forever, then I would agree with your stance that Docker in the wrong. But so far I couldn't find a shred of information indicating that Docker commercial/enterprise account will be free forever. So that didn't put Docker in a wrong. And be realistic of this world, you cannot expect software companies to survive on free account alone forever. Who is paying the servers to keep it up? Docker. Who is providing the support? Docker. Who paying the developers to keep Docker products updated and introduce new features? Docker. How could Docker survive without the cash flow with the free account forever. I mean Google, Microsoft, Chococately, Homebrew/Brew, etc have commercial licenses to cover the cost of their products to keep it free for personal-use users. If you don't see this coming, well I don't what to tell you but that is the cost of doing business.
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    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
david38 5y ago
If you didn’t pay for it, you can only have zero expectations, simple as that. You can provide something for free, not make any promises that it will be free with upgrades in perpetuity, and one day decide to stop. It’s as simple as that.
- kcb 5y ago
  > If you didn’t pay for it, you can only have zero expectations, simple as that. Says who? There's plenty of free as in didn't transact dollars for software that I have extremely high expectations for. Visual Studio Code, Gmail, Github, etc. When they one day decide to stop I can also choose to be disappointed, not buy and no longer use their software. It's as simple as that.
  - anamexis 5y ago
    I think there's a distinction to be made between B2C and B2B there. Gmail and Github are not free for businesses (and Docker is still free for individuals).
Foobar8568 5y ago
You are betting your company worklow/future without contracts?