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There has never been a case of nuclear powers directly shooting at each other. The risk of escalation would be very very high. This was covered in a good vide

There has never been a case of nuclear powers directly shooting at each other. The risk of escalation would be very very high. This was covered in a good video (towards the end): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBARgW_vHVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBARgW_vHVE

s1artibartfast 5y ago
This is not strictly true. The US directly bombed Russian troops in Syria.
- polski-g 5y ago
  No they didn't. They bombed mercenaries who were (genetically) Russian-after Russia confirmed they weren't official troops.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    I think you are correct. While many articles discuss Russian soldiers or fighters, the only articles I could find that provided more detail did indicate that they were indeed mercenaries.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > mercenaries who were (genetically) Russian Also by nationality. Of a company whose leader is closely tied to Putin and given public awards by Putin for undisclosed reasons after operations in Ukraine, and which was set up by and believed to be exclusively working with the Russian government (in Ukraine before Syria.) But, yeah completely different than fighting Russia.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > > There has never been a case of nuclear powers directly shooting at each other. > This is not strictly true It's not even approximately true. It's not even approximately true if you refer to open conflicts where neither side has deniability about direct involvement. It's not even true of open conflicts since 2020, given the India-Pakistan border skirmishes of 2020-2021. To be fair, it would probably be true to say “there has not yet this year been a case of nuclear powers openly, directly shooting at each other.”
dragonwriter 5y ago
> There has never been a case of nuclear powers directly shooting at each other Yes, there have, a whole lot. To mitigate risk of escalation in specifically, US/Soviet conflicts, usually at least one side had a fig-leaf of deniability at the time, but even then both sides often knew what was going on. The earliest example I can think of off the top of my head was air-to-air combat in the Korean War, where a large number of “North Korean” MiGs were, in fact, Soviet MiGs with Soviet pilots. (The lack of encryption and the fact that they spoke limited Korean in the radio and would break into Russian under stress was one giveaway.) Aside from US/Soviet conflicts, there have been direct nuclear-power conflicts without even fig-leaf deniability. There've been several India-Pakistan conflicts, not stopping after each became nuclear powers. Some India-China conflicts, too.
- jleyank 5y ago
  Those pilots were NK volunteers as both sides knew well. Just like some missile tech had bad days near Hanoi - just a bunch of expat technical advisors. I meant white star shooting at red star for real.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    They were Soviet pilots from Soviet units deployed from the Soviet air defense command (not Frontal Aviation, the main tactical arm at the time) and operating out of bases in China. Before the fall of the USSR there was only (if overwhelming) indirect evidence that they were Soviet units, but afterwards there was no doubt.
eveningcoffee 5y ago
Why Putin has been successful previously and why he failed this time https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1504103672019513345 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1504103672019513345 Constant fear of escalation has created this war and West is responsible for it and should fix it.

s1artibartfast 5y ago

This is not strictly true. The US directly bombed Russian troops in Syria.

polski-g 5y ago
No they didn't. They bombed mercenaries who were (genetically) Russian-after Russia confirmed they weren't official troops.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  I think you are correct. While many articles discuss Russian soldiers or fighters, the only articles I could find that provided more detail did indicate that they were indeed mercenaries.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > mercenaries who were (genetically) Russian Also by nationality. Of a company whose leader is closely tied to Putin and given public awards by Putin for undisclosed reasons after operations in Ukraine, and which was set up by and believed to be exclusively working with the Russian government (in Ukraine before Syria.) But, yeah completely different than fighting Russia.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> > There has never been a case of nuclear powers directly shooting at each other. > This is not strictly true It's not even approximately true. It's not even approximately true if you refer to open conflicts where neither side has deniability about direct involvement. It's not even true of open conflicts since 2020, given the India-Pakistan border skirmishes of 2020-2021. To be fair, it would probably be true to say “there has not yet this year been a case of nuclear powers openly, directly shooting at each other.”

dragonwriter 5y ago

> There has never been a case of nuclear powers directly shooting at each other Yes, there have, a whole lot. To mitigate risk of escalation in specifically, US/Soviet conflicts, usually at least one side had a fig-leaf of deniability at the time, but even then both sides often knew what was going on. The earliest example I can think of off the top of my head was air-to-air combat in the Korean War, where a large number of “North Korean” MiGs were, in fact, Soviet MiGs with Soviet pilots. (The lack of encryption and the fact that they spoke limited Korean in the radio and would break into Russian under stress was one giveaway.) Aside from US/Soviet conflicts, there have been direct nuclear-power conflicts without even fig-leaf deniability. There've been several India-Pakistan conflicts, not stopping after each became nuclear powers. Some India-China conflicts, too.

jleyank 5y ago
Those pilots were NK volunteers as both sides knew well. Just like some missile tech had bad days near Hanoi - just a bunch of expat technical advisors. I meant white star shooting at red star for real.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  They were Soviet pilots from Soviet units deployed from the Soviet air defense command (not Frontal Aviation, the main tactical arm at the time) and operating out of bases in China. Before the fall of the USSR there was only (if overwhelming) indirect evidence that they were Soviet units, but afterwards there was no doubt.

eveningcoffee 5y ago

Why Putin has been successful previously and why he failed this time https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1504103672019513345 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1504103672019513345 Constant fear of escalation has created this war and West is responsible for it and should fix it.