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Interesting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_war_comes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_war_comes

eru 5y ago
Further down that rabbit hole: https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-happy-autonomous-and-disobedient-nordbat-2-and-mission-command-in-bosnia https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-h...
- nix23 5y ago
  Whats is that thing the blonde soldier is holding? Brightness meter? A nokia proto-smartphone?
  - GameOfFrowns 5y ago
    Might just be a pen. If the object would have the width of a smartphone, the soldier wouldn't be able to wrap her ringfinger around like in the picture.
    - nix23 5y ago
      Well the with is nearly like the length of her finger, and she has some color-table in her hand, maybe some infrared meter?
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        That's probably not the width of the object: It's a smartphone seen edge-on, so your "width" is actually the thickness. Well, mostly; the left half of what we see of it is probably (judging from the differing shades of black) a foreshortened view of the back of it, and the right part the edge. It has the rounded-rectangle look of an iPhone; did they have a single camera lens in the upper left (head-on) / right (from the user's side) corner with a silver-ish border around it?
  - gerikson 5y ago
    She's taking a picture with her phone... The caption implies that this is from 1993, but it's a much more recent crop of cadets on a visit to Vares later.
    - nix23 5y ago
      Ha thanks for the clarification, but it's a bit too late i already started a article for Vice that time travelers exist ;)
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      > The caption implies that this is from 1993, Not necessarily. Here it is: > Cadets view the sign on the Nordbat 2 school in Vareš and testify of the city's appreciation of the Swedish UN Federation's efforts in autumn 1993. (Johan Nordén/Försvarsmakten) That must be intended to say the appreciated efforts took place in autumn 1993. But yeah, somewhat ambiguous. > but it's a much more recent crop of cadets on a visit to Vares later. Kind of a pilgrimage? If the pic was relatively recent at the time of that blog post (September 2017), many (most?) of those cadets probably hadn't even been born in 1993.
- danieka 5y ago
  That was a fascinating read. I did my military service in Sweden in 2010 and one of the quotes I remember most clearly from my commanding officers was "Hesitation kills" ("Tvekan dödar" in swedish), and that seems to be a direct heritage of the doctrine outlined in the article.
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stygiansonic 5y ago
Related: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Resistance_(book) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Resistance_(book)
CRConrad 5y ago
Good thing WP has a link to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_book entry in that article; a lot of people nowadays probably don't know WTF that is... I'm not middle-aged, I'm from the Middle Ages. (Works better in Swedish: Jag är inte medelålders, jag är medeltida.)

eru 5y ago

Further down that rabbit hole: https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-happy-autonomous-and-disobedient-nordbat-2-and-mission-command-in-bosnia https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/9/20/trigger-h...

nix23 5y ago
Whats is that thing the blonde soldier is holding? Brightness meter? A nokia proto-smartphone?
- GameOfFrowns 5y ago
  Might just be a pen. If the object would have the width of a smartphone, the soldier wouldn't be able to wrap her ringfinger around like in the picture.
  - nix23 5y ago
    Well the with is nearly like the length of her finger, and she has some color-table in her hand, maybe some infrared meter?
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      That's probably not the width of the object: It's a smartphone seen edge-on, so your "width" is actually the thickness. Well, mostly; the left half of what we see of it is probably (judging from the differing shades of black) a foreshortened view of the back of it, and the right part the edge. It has the rounded-rectangle look of an iPhone; did they have a single camera lens in the upper left (head-on) / right (from the user's side) corner with a silver-ish border around it?
- gerikson 5y ago
  She's taking a picture with her phone... The caption implies that this is from 1993, but it's a much more recent crop of cadets on a visit to Vares later.
  - nix23 5y ago
    Ha thanks for the clarification, but it's a bit too late i already started a article for Vice that time travelers exist ;)
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > The caption implies that this is from 1993, Not necessarily. Here it is: > Cadets view the sign on the Nordbat 2 school in Vareš and testify of the city's appreciation of the Swedish UN Federation's efforts in autumn 1993. (Johan Nordén/Försvarsmakten) That must be intended to say the appreciated efforts took place in autumn 1993. But yeah, somewhat ambiguous. > but it's a much more recent crop of cadets on a visit to Vares later. Kind of a pilgrimage? If the pic was relatively recent at the time of that blog post (September 2017), many (most?) of those cadets probably hadn't even been born in 1993.
danieka 5y ago
That was a fascinating read. I did my military service in Sweden in 2010 and one of the quotes I remember most clearly from my commanding officers was "Hesitation kills" ("Tvekan dödar" in swedish), and that seems to be a direct heritage of the doctrine outlined in the article.

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stygiansonic 5y ago

Related: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Resistance_(book) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Resistance_(book)

CRConrad 5y ago

Good thing WP has a link to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_book entry in that article; a lot of people nowadays probably don't know WTF that is... I'm not middle-aged, I'm from the Middle Ages. (Works better in Swedish: Jag är inte medelålders, jag är medeltida.)