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Here in the US we have street names and even monuments dedicated to slave owners and people who advocated so strongly for slavery they went to war with their ow

Here in the US we have street names and even monuments dedicated to slave owners and people who advocated so strongly for slavery they went to war with their own people. Does that mean the US, today, generally supports the institution of chattel slavery? No, that's absurd. Lots of people want those monuments removed and streets renamed, but that's apparently cancel culture. The only country I know of that has actually faced it's rotten past is Germany

WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
But @paganel apparently thinks it’s totally okay to bomb that street while civilians are walking on it. Talk about priorities.
- paganel 5y ago
  > But @paganel apparently thinks it’s totally okay to bomb I didn't say that, way to go. Come on, this is HN, not some sub-reddit shithole.
  - WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
    You did say exactly that. > it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. A bomb killed 20 civilians. Who the fuck cares if a street it fell onto was named after a war criminal? Makes it a legit target? So, let's carpet bomb all those Strada Ion Antonescu it took me all 15 seconds to find across Romania. After all, you are saying it's illegal to name a street like that, so let's de-nazify them. Right?
    - ziml77 5y ago
      Where in the world are you getting it from that the name of the street made it ok to bomb? He's saying that he learned of the street because the Russians bombing it was newsworthy given that it killed 20 people. Then what followed from him learning that the street exists with the name Bandera, was him thinking that maybe there could be some support for Nazis still remaining in Ukraine. Similar to how seeing a street named after a Confederate fighter would make someone think that maybe there's still some love for the Confederacy in the US (which is actually accurate!)
      - WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
        I'm going to spare a long explanation for you, but calling Ukrainians who refer to one another as "banderivets" and naming streets after Bandera "support for Nazis" is almost, if not entirely, equal to calling American Blacks who refer to one another as "nigga" "support for racism and slavery".
8note 5y ago
Americans don't like the name chattel slavery anymore, but the demand for labourers that don't have rights as people is just a prevalent. The treatment of "illegal immigrants" is currently better than the chattel slaves of old, but policies like getting rid of birthright citizenship points in a direction of America wanting to being back chattel slaves

WesolyKubeczek 5y ago

But @paganel apparently thinks it’s totally okay to bomb that street while civilians are walking on it. Talk about priorities.

paganel 5y ago
> But @paganel apparently thinks it’s totally okay to bomb I didn't say that, way to go. Come on, this is HN, not some sub-reddit shithole.
- WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
  You did say exactly that. > it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. A bomb killed 20 civilians. Who the fuck cares if a street it fell onto was named after a war criminal? Makes it a legit target? So, let's carpet bomb all those Strada Ion Antonescu it took me all 15 seconds to find across Romania. After all, you are saying it's illegal to name a street like that, so let's de-nazify them. Right?
  - ziml77 5y ago
    Where in the world are you getting it from that the name of the street made it ok to bomb? He's saying that he learned of the street because the Russians bombing it was newsworthy given that it killed 20 people. Then what followed from him learning that the street exists with the name Bandera, was him thinking that maybe there could be some support for Nazis still remaining in Ukraine. Similar to how seeing a street named after a Confederate fighter would make someone think that maybe there's still some love for the Confederacy in the US (which is actually accurate!)
    - WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
      I'm going to spare a long explanation for you, but calling Ukrainians who refer to one another as "banderivets" and naming streets after Bandera "support for Nazis" is almost, if not entirely, equal to calling American Blacks who refer to one another as "nigga" "support for racism and slavery".

8note 5y ago

Americans don't like the name chattel slavery anymore, but the demand for labourers that don't have rights as people is just a prevalent. The treatment of "illegal immigrants" is currently better than the chattel slaves of old, but policies like getting rid of birthright citizenship points in a direction of America wanting to being back chattel slaves