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> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof. A counterexample from California: https

> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof. A counterexample from California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz

MetaWhirledPeas 5y ago
We have no proof you are not a Nazi either. Let's assume you are, just to be safe. And maybe we can write a few blogs about it and drum up a following?
- RobertMiller 5y ago
  I do not believe Zelensky is a Nazi. The evidence against it is much stronger than the evidence for it. Your ire against me is misdirected.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > Your ire against me is misdirected. Insofar as it was ire against your implication that "there is no proof against it" would somehow validate the insinuation, it wasn't. And, sorry, even if you claim that that wasn't what you meant to do, the mere mention of it does imply that. We don't (AFAIK) have absolute proof that the Moon isn't (mainly) made of green cheese, either (those moon rocks the astronauts brought back could just be part of a thin rock crust over the cheese[1]), but what does it imply if I throw out the claim "We don't have proof that the Moon isn't made of green cheese!" in a general discussion about cosmology? ___ [1]: Aha, so "Moon Pie" should be a cheese pie!
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Does it actually matter though? If he was a nazi, and if he engaged in practices from WW2 nazis like putting people into concentration camps, then there would be a case. But it doesn't warrant an unprovoked single-party invasion. We're better than that these days.
- RobertMiller 5y ago
  The invasion is unwarranted, I would never suggest otherwise.
tablespoon 5y ago
>> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, > That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof. It's about the strongest evidence possible. Also, I'd think a person who's such a raw contradiction of "Jewish Nazi" would show signs of obvious psychological illness (either as a cause or a symptom, e.g. suicide to help the final solution along). Add to that the fact that the claim he's a Nazi have all the hallmarks of a lie concocted to fabricate a moral reason for the invasion, by people with a history and strategy for creating such lies, and it's proved false practical sense. It's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Zelensky is not Nazi, in fact it's even proven beyond most unreasonable doubts. > A counterexample from California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz I don't think so. Ctrl-F "nazi" -- zero hits.
- RobertMiller 5y ago
  > It's about the strongest evidence possible. It's not as strong as the synthesis of all the other evidence, particularly: his actions and statements throughout life, none of which point towards him being a Nazi. That is stronger evidence than his ethnic identity. With respect to Ron Unz, you might want to read that wikipedia page more carefully than a quick C-f; that guy is a big fan of Hitler and hating jews. The same synthesis of actions and statements that vindicate Zelensky will plainly damn Unz.

MetaWhirledPeas 5y ago

We have no proof you are not a Nazi either. Let's assume you are, just to be safe. And maybe we can write a few blogs about it and drum up a following?

RobertMiller 5y ago
I do not believe Zelensky is a Nazi. The evidence against it is much stronger than the evidence for it. Your ire against me is misdirected.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > Your ire against me is misdirected. Insofar as it was ire against your implication that "there is no proof against it" would somehow validate the insinuation, it wasn't. And, sorry, even if you claim that that wasn't what you meant to do, the mere mention of it does imply that. We don't (AFAIK) have absolute proof that the Moon isn't (mainly) made of green cheese, either (those moon rocks the astronauts brought back could just be part of a thin rock crust over the cheese[1]), but what does it imply if I throw out the claim "We don't have proof that the Moon isn't made of green cheese!" in a general discussion about cosmology? ___ [1]: Aha, so "Moon Pie" should be a cheese pie!

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

Does it actually matter though? If he was a nazi, and if he engaged in practices from WW2 nazis like putting people into concentration camps, then there would be a case. But it doesn't warrant an unprovoked single-party invasion. We're better than that these days.

RobertMiller 5y ago
The invasion is unwarranted, I would never suggest otherwise.

tablespoon 5y ago

>> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, > That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof. It's about the strongest evidence possible. Also, I'd think a person who's such a raw contradiction of "Jewish Nazi" would show signs of obvious psychological illness (either as a cause or a symptom, e.g. suicide to help the final solution along). Add to that the fact that the claim he's a Nazi have all the hallmarks of a lie concocted to fabricate a moral reason for the invasion, by people with a history and strategy for creating such lies, and it's proved false practical sense. It's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Zelensky is not Nazi, in fact it's even proven beyond most unreasonable doubts. > A counterexample from California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz I don't think so. Ctrl-F "nazi" -- zero hits.

RobertMiller 5y ago
> It's about the strongest evidence possible. It's not as strong as the synthesis of all the other evidence, particularly: his actions and statements throughout life, none of which point towards him being a Nazi. That is stronger evidence than his ethnic identity. With respect to Ron Unz, you might want to read that wikipedia page more carefully than a quick C-f; that guy is a big fan of Hitler and hating jews. The same synthesis of actions and statements that vindicate Zelensky will plainly damn Unz.