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I wonder who is viewing that thinking it's real? It's obviously fake and a bad fake at that.

mkr-hn 5y ago
This kind of belief doesn't survive contact with the kind of person bad fakes are targeted at. They're not stupid people, they're just people who've lived long enough to feel confident in their understanding of the world, and that understanding has at best an abstract concept of deep fakes. It only has to be more convincing than what they expect a fake to look like.
- tfigment 5y ago
  I would argee that if it confirms a view they already hold or are inclined to believe then that is all that is needed.
- XorNot 5y ago
  It's also to drive a narrative: think of all the discussions on HN where we're reacting to the headline and not the article. This is a dynamic we've not seen before - Zelensky is out and about so he's seen by his people, but a huge amount of this entire effort is being shared online through social media. You don't have to convince people its authentic - you can just convince everyone that everything is fake.
saiya-jin 5y ago
Old people, many folks with IQ in the lowest 20% spectrum... and these are just the honest types. Then there are whole groups of folks so deep in the hoax echo chambers they treat anything coming from outside as fake and yet another attempt to get them.
michaelbuckbee 5y ago
Put this deepfake through a couple levels of email forwards, GIFs with burned in captions and lots of dodgy media spots of "Did Zelensky actually say this or didn't he? Some people are saying he did." and it's going to be taken for ground truth. There's a subreddit called "AteTheOnion" which chronicles people mistaking wildly obviously fake and humorous articles from The Onion and other sites. If people aren't able to discern those articles from reality what hope is there? 1 - https://www.reddit.com/r/AteTheOnion/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AteTheOnion/
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > Some people are saying ISWYDT.
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Cthulhu_ 5y ago
It doesn't have to be good; there's a lot of people who just skim things, who see this a meter away on a section of a smartphone, or who see a headline without checking the contents. I mean I like to think of myself as fairly critical and I do this. I'm sure there's a ton of subliminal messages that have established themselves as facts in my head.
nextlevelwizard 5y ago
If you are going to start using deepfakes as part of your campaign you first want to make couple bad ones so people feel good about themselves and trust their ability to spot the fake. Then start drip feeding the actual good material. Same tactics as with what Internet at large nowdays calls "trolls". The onces that you spot were probably ment to be spotted, so you lower your guard against the actual propaganda that isn't as obvious.

This kind of belief doesn't survive contact with the kind of person bad fakes are targeted at. They're not stupid people, they're just people who've lived long enough to feel confident in their understanding of the world, and that understanding has at best an abstract concept of deep fakes. It only has to be more convincing than what they expect a fake to look like.

tfigment 5y ago
I would argee that if it confirms a view they already hold or are inclined to believe then that is all that is needed.
XorNot 5y ago
It's also to drive a narrative: think of all the discussions on HN where we're reacting to the headline and not the article. This is a dynamic we've not seen before - Zelensky is out and about so he's seen by his people, but a huge amount of this entire effort is being shared online through social media. You don't have to convince people its authentic - you can just convince everyone that everything is fake.

saiya-jin 5y ago

Old people, many folks with IQ in the lowest 20% spectrum... and these are just the honest types. Then there are whole groups of folks so deep in the hoax echo chambers they treat anything coming from outside as fake and yet another attempt to get them.

michaelbuckbee 5y ago

Put this deepfake through a couple levels of email forwards, GIFs with burned in captions and lots of dodgy media spots of "Did Zelensky actually say this or didn't he? Some people are saying he did." and it's going to be taken for ground truth. There's a subreddit called "AteTheOnion" which chronicles people mistaking wildly obviously fake and humorous articles from The Onion and other sites. If people aren't able to discern those articles from reality what hope is there? 1 - https://www.reddit.com/r/AteTheOnion/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AteTheOnion/

CRConrad 5y ago
> Some people are saying ISWYDT.

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Cthulhu_ 5y ago

It doesn't have to be good; there's a lot of people who just skim things, who see this a meter away on a section of a smartphone, or who see a headline without checking the contents. I mean I like to think of myself as fairly critical and I do this. I'm sure there's a ton of subliminal messages that have established themselves as facts in my head.

nextlevelwizard 5y ago

If you are going to start using deepfakes as part of your campaign you first want to make couple bad ones so people feel good about themselves and trust their ability to spot the fake. Then start drip feeding the actual good material. Same tactics as with what Internet at large nowdays calls "trolls". The onces that you spot were probably ment to be spotted, so you lower your guard against the actual propaganda that isn't as obvious.