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Jailed for 15 years, really? It is more like being fined $200: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/15/marina-ovsyannikova-russian-journalist-fined-for-li

by older 5y ago

Jailed for 15 years, really? It is more like being fined $200: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/15/marina-ovsyannikova-russian-journalist-fined-for-live-broadcast-protest https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/15/marina-ovsyann...

yreg 5y ago
$200 for the social media post, she is yet to stand trial for the tv act. Listen to this and then rethink whether the russian activists feel safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1EkA14y6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1EkA14y6Q
- older 5y ago
  Millions of Ukrainians weren't feeling safe since at least 2014. But it doesn't give grounds for asking for asylum. So to be "afraid to participate in protests because of fear of persecution" is not enough to claim refugee status.
  - throwaway290 5y ago
    There were hundreds of thousands of refugees from Ukraine in preceding years. Where are you getting your data?
    - older 5y ago
      I'm getting my data from Eurostat. There were fewer asylum applications from Ukraine than from Russia. Rejection rates for both countries were very high. And definitely not even close to the number you're suggesting. Especially if we're counting those who've got refugee status and not just applications.
      - throwaway290 5y ago
        There are, if you count Ukrainian refugees granted temporary asylum in Russia (somewhat ironically). To elsewhere in the world, not all are legal refugees. De-facto refugees from Ukraine and Russia could leave in preceding years and did so legally. Many would be disinclined to go back since the likelihood of death or imprisonment has risen dramatically. They would be renewing their passports via embassies while working towards obtaining long-term resident status in meantime. The easiest way of obtaining that status may or may not be by asking for asylum, but regardless if you insist that guaranteed by law political persecution is not grounds for becoming a refugee I am not taking that seriously until you provide proof that reality contradicts the dictionary definition of the word.

by older 5y ago

yreg 5y ago

$200 for the social media post, she is yet to stand trial for the tv act. Listen to this and then rethink whether the russian activists feel safe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1EkA14y6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN1EkA14y6Q

older 5y ago
Millions of Ukrainians weren't feeling safe since at least 2014. But it doesn't give grounds for asking for asylum. So to be "afraid to participate in protests because of fear of persecution" is not enough to claim refugee status.
- throwaway290 5y ago
  There were hundreds of thousands of refugees from Ukraine in preceding years. Where are you getting your data?
  - older 5y ago
    I'm getting my data from Eurostat. There were fewer asylum applications from Ukraine than from Russia. Rejection rates for both countries were very high. And definitely not even close to the number you're suggesting. Especially if we're counting those who've got refugee status and not just applications.
    - throwaway290 5y ago
      There are, if you count Ukrainian refugees granted temporary asylum in Russia (somewhat ironically). To elsewhere in the world, not all are legal refugees. De-facto refugees from Ukraine and Russia could leave in preceding years and did so legally. Many would be disinclined to go back since the likelihood of death or imprisonment has risen dramatically. They would be renewing their passports via embassies while working towards obtaining long-term resident status in meantime. The easiest way of obtaining that status may or may not be by asking for asylum, but regardless if you insist that guaranteed by law political persecution is not grounds for becoming a refugee I am not taking that seriously until you provide proof that reality contradicts the dictionary definition of the word.