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You might be thinking that it's a Putin's war, but I can assure you, Russian people are wholeheartedly support the war. Even people who live abroad. > It scare

by hkpack 5y ago

You might be thinking that it's a Putin's war, but I can assure you, Russian people are wholeheartedly support the war. Even people who live abroad. > It scares me how people lose their minds to xenophobia, war, and hate Because while some russians are experiencing "hate and xenophobia", civilian people is Ukraine are being brutally killed in thousands using unguided bombs, artillery strikes or MLRSs. For you, dead or injured children are just a picture you can choose not to look at, but for a huge number of Ukrainians, it is the reality.

cute_boi 5y ago
Can you please justify "Russian people are wholeheartedly support the war". I know you are making this specious statement because if this was the case why Russian government do shenanigans during election? Clearly, many people doesn't support him. People seem to forget 1 person can control hundreds cattle. And there is high chance, 1 police can easily control 20 people. I have a lot of friends in Russia, and they all share the same sentiment. Many people don't like to live in autocracy. even with propaganda, unless their living standard is extremely high.
- hkpack 5y ago
  It is very difficult to put such complex topic into a post, so let me summarise with bullet points. Let me know what parts to expand or provide sources for: 1. Russia tried to get ahold of Ukraine for multiple centuries already, so it is engraved in the culture of both Ukrainians and Russians. 2. The last time Ukraine lost a war to Russia was in 1920, which was followed by a century of terror and genocide [0] from Russian side which ended in 1991 by the collapse of USSR. 3. Because Ukraine was always considered a rebellious state, a manufactured USSR propaganda was that Russians are "big russians" and Ukrainians are "small Russians". The point was that big Russians where superior in every way, while small russians where uneducated villagers. 4. Ukrainian culture is being denied by Russians for more than a century, by means that Ukrainian language was forbidden, and all major cultural figures were either killed or displaced to Gulags. 5. The collapse of the USSR and the weakening of Russia allowed some of these to be reversed and Ukrainian language and culture started to be getting revived. 6. 30 years later from the collapse of USSR, Russians are still in a full denial of Ukrainian culture and think that Ukrainians are just Russians with anti-russia nazism. So culturally, Russians are sure that killing all the nazis will return Ukraine to their "brotherhood" and hence wholeheartedly support this "special operation to denazify Ukraine" as it is called by Russian media. Source: have some of the family in Russia as well as some russian family members in Ukraine, who are completely sure they are helping people of Ukraine right now and support this. All of the deaths and suffering are justified for them, because the "anti-russian nazis" have to be killed anyway. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
- yznovyak 5y ago
  > Clearly, many people doesn't support him. Unfortunately this is not so clear. I've never heard any numbers that would indicate that the explicit support is less than 50%. The most recent figure I've seen is 58%: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/08/russia-public-opinion-ukraine-invasion/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/08/russia-publi... But when I visit Russian reddit (pikabu.ru and d3.ru) I am appalled by the fervent support of this war by the common people, subjectively it feels like 95+%. To put it bluntly, I believe that the modern Russia is fascist. There are many definitions of fascism, but common themes seem to be: 1. Cult of personality. Putin. Enough said. 2. Powerful and continuing nationalism. Russia has updated their constitution to include article 68 which defines Russian language as "язык государствообразующего народа" that is "the language of state-forming people". 3. Identification of enemies as unifying force. Huge disdain for USA, EU, and NATO. Obama personally steals money from Russia's retirees, EU is being openly described as gayrope. 4. Rampant sexism ... I don't think this can be applied to Russia. In general women from ex-USSR states are pretty badass. 5. Controlled Mass Media. You got it. 6. Obsession with national security. Russia's rhetoric is like that of an abusive spouse: Ukraine forced us to preemptively attack, or otherwise they (Ukr) would have attacked us (Rus). 7. Religion and government intertwined. I'll pull you up a video of Russia's main priest (archbishop? patriarch) blessing this war: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/07/russian-church-leader-appears-to-blame-gay-pride-parades-for-ukraine-war-a76803 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/07/russian-church-lea.... Also there are numerous videos of Russian priests blessing ICBMs: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/6b54ml/a_russian_orthodox_priest_baptizing_a_topolm/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/6b54ml/a_russian_or... 8. Fraudlent elections. You got it. 9. Rampant croynism and corruption. Yep. 10. Those guys even got their own swastika -- the Z letter. Displayed publicly and numerously. Please let me know if you want me to elaborate on any of the above points and I'll gladly provide you with examples. I'd elaborate from the start, but there's an air raid siren and I have to run to the bomb shelter :(.

by hkpack 5y ago

cute_boi 5y ago

Can you please justify "Russian people are wholeheartedly support the war". I know you are making this specious statement because if this was the case why Russian government do shenanigans during election? Clearly, many people doesn't support him. People seem to forget 1 person can control hundreds cattle. And there is high chance, 1 police can easily control 20 people. I have a lot of friends in Russia, and they all share the same sentiment. Many people don't like to live in autocracy. even with propaganda, unless their living standard is extremely high.

hkpack 5y ago
It is very difficult to put such complex topic into a post, so let me summarise with bullet points. Let me know what parts to expand or provide sources for: 1. Russia tried to get ahold of Ukraine for multiple centuries already, so it is engraved in the culture of both Ukrainians and Russians. 2. The last time Ukraine lost a war to Russia was in 1920, which was followed by a century of terror and genocide [0] from Russian side which ended in 1991 by the collapse of USSR. 3. Because Ukraine was always considered a rebellious state, a manufactured USSR propaganda was that Russians are "big russians" and Ukrainians are "small Russians". The point was that big Russians where superior in every way, while small russians where uneducated villagers. 4. Ukrainian culture is being denied by Russians for more than a century, by means that Ukrainian language was forbidden, and all major cultural figures were either killed or displaced to Gulags. 5. The collapse of the USSR and the weakening of Russia allowed some of these to be reversed and Ukrainian language and culture started to be getting revived. 6. 30 years later from the collapse of USSR, Russians are still in a full denial of Ukrainian culture and think that Ukrainians are just Russians with anti-russia nazism. So culturally, Russians are sure that killing all the nazis will return Ukraine to their "brotherhood" and hence wholeheartedly support this "special operation to denazify Ukraine" as it is called by Russian media. Source: have some of the family in Russia as well as some russian family members in Ukraine, who are completely sure they are helping people of Ukraine right now and support this. All of the deaths and suffering are justified for them, because the "anti-russian nazis" have to be killed anyway. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
yznovyak 5y ago
> Clearly, many people doesn't support him. Unfortunately this is not so clear. I've never heard any numbers that would indicate that the explicit support is less than 50%. The most recent figure I've seen is 58%: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/08/russia-public-opinion-ukraine-invasion/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/08/russia-publi... But when I visit Russian reddit (pikabu.ru and d3.ru) I am appalled by the fervent support of this war by the common people, subjectively it feels like 95+%. To put it bluntly, I believe that the modern Russia is fascist. There are many definitions of fascism, but common themes seem to be: 1. Cult of personality. Putin. Enough said. 2. Powerful and continuing nationalism. Russia has updated their constitution to include article 68 which defines Russian language as "язык государствообразующего народа" that is "the language of state-forming people". 3. Identification of enemies as unifying force. Huge disdain for USA, EU, and NATO. Obama personally steals money from Russia's retirees, EU is being openly described as gayrope. 4. Rampant sexism ... I don't think this can be applied to Russia. In general women from ex-USSR states are pretty badass. 5. Controlled Mass Media. You got it. 6. Obsession with national security. Russia's rhetoric is like that of an abusive spouse: Ukraine forced us to preemptively attack, or otherwise they (Ukr) would have attacked us (Rus). 7. Religion and government intertwined. I'll pull you up a video of Russia's main priest (archbishop? patriarch) blessing this war: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/07/russian-church-leader-appears-to-blame-gay-pride-parades-for-ukraine-war-a76803 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/07/russian-church-lea.... Also there are numerous videos of Russian priests blessing ICBMs: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/6b54ml/a_russian_orthodox_priest_baptizing_a_topolm/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/6b54ml/a_russian_or... 8. Fraudlent elections. You got it. 9. Rampant croynism and corruption. Yep. 10. Those guys even got their own swastika -- the Z letter. Displayed publicly and numerously. Please let me know if you want me to elaborate on any of the above points and I'll gladly provide you with examples. I'd elaborate from the start, but there's an air raid siren and I have to run to the bomb shelter :(.