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You didn't steal anything (nobody no longer has it because of you), you pirated it.

jamesaguilar 15y ago
I think nearly everyone here is aware of the distinction. Speaking only for myself, I will continue to say "steal" since both words describe the same action (assuming you're not a prescriptive linguist), and steal better connotes what I believe to be the economic impact.
- lurker19 15y ago
  The phone company steals from me every time my DSL fails and I spend an hour on the phone with a tech or by another replacement modem. HTC steals from me every time the USB cable doesn't dock securely in the port. Microsoft steals from me every time Windows crashes.
- tomjen3 15y ago
  Would you also call taxes theft? Having to stand in line at some DMV versions? All of those steal time or money from a person who hasn't agreed to it.
epicureanideal 15y ago
He stole it. However, I think it's perfectly moral although illegal to download the materials and then buy the hard copy.
dextorious 15y ago
Really? What a clever and original distinction. It makes all the difference to the guy that wanted people to PAY HIM to use his work, but instead they just use it and don't give him a dime.
- dionidium 15y ago
  You're being sarcastic, but it's not really a clever or original distinction. It's an obvious distinction that should always be kept in mind when comparing physical and non-physical goods. Your moral outrage falls flat.
  - dextorious 15y ago
    Should be "always kept in mind" why exactly? It's BS. It's not about stealing a physical object or not. It's about doing something with someone's work (his program) without respecting his wishes (to be paid before you use it). When you plagiarize a poem as your own the original still exists. But it's still stealing.
rick888 15y ago
When the guy that wrote the thesis theme for Wordpress was being demonized for violating the GNU license, people used the word "steal" and "theft", even though no code was actually stolen. It's interesting to me because when something involves free software being used in un-intended ways, many here in the HN community have no problem describing it as theft. However, when it involves copyright violation, there are huge arguments about word usage. This is just a tactic to make theft more acceptable. When you use nice words like "copyright infringement", people don't associate negativity with it and over time, people don't have a problem with it. Over the course of the last 10 years, it seems to have worked. It's sad that many from the open source community have to be so hypocritical. Also, Identity theft is still called theft, even though your identity is not actually stolen.
- archgoon 15y ago
  "Identity theft is still called theft" Identities are supposed to be unique, its part of the whole idea of identity. If someone else is using your identity, you are being deprived that. So in that case, yes, it is analogous to someone actually taking something physical to you. You cannot fully use your identity once someone else starts using it.
  - georgieporgie 15y ago
    You cannot fully use your identity once someone else starts using it. Of course you can.
    - alexqgb 15y ago
      Operative word: 'fully'. Down-voted for replying without reading.
      - georgieporgie 15y ago
        Oh, I most certainly read it. Your identity is still fully at your own disposal, even if someone has abused some parts of it.

I think nearly everyone here is aware of the distinction. Speaking only for myself, I will continue to say "steal" since both words describe the same action (assuming you're not a prescriptive linguist), and steal better connotes what I believe to be the economic impact.

lurker19 15y ago
The phone company steals from me every time my DSL fails and I spend an hour on the phone with a tech or by another replacement modem. HTC steals from me every time the USB cable doesn't dock securely in the port. Microsoft steals from me every time Windows crashes.
tomjen3 15y ago
Would you also call taxes theft? Having to stand in line at some DMV versions? All of those steal time or money from a person who hasn't agreed to it.

epicureanideal 15y ago

He stole it. However, I think it's perfectly moral although illegal to download the materials and then buy the hard copy.

dextorious 15y ago

Really? What a clever and original distinction. It makes all the difference to the guy that wanted people to PAY HIM to use his work, but instead they just use it and don't give him a dime.

dionidium 15y ago
You're being sarcastic, but it's not really a clever or original distinction. It's an obvious distinction that should always be kept in mind when comparing physical and non-physical goods. Your moral outrage falls flat.
- dextorious 15y ago
  Should be "always kept in mind" why exactly? It's BS. It's not about stealing a physical object or not. It's about doing something with someone's work (his program) without respecting his wishes (to be paid before you use it). When you plagiarize a poem as your own the original still exists. But it's still stealing.

rick888 15y ago

When the guy that wrote the thesis theme for Wordpress was being demonized for violating the GNU license, people used the word "steal" and "theft", even though no code was actually stolen. It's interesting to me because when something involves free software being used in un-intended ways, many here in the HN community have no problem describing it as theft. However, when it involves copyright violation, there are huge arguments about word usage. This is just a tactic to make theft more acceptable. When you use nice words like "copyright infringement", people don't associate negativity with it and over time, people don't have a problem with it. Over the course of the last 10 years, it seems to have worked. It's sad that many from the open source community have to be so hypocritical. Also, Identity theft is still called theft, even though your identity is not actually stolen.

archgoon 15y ago
"Identity theft is still called theft" Identities are supposed to be unique, its part of the whole idea of identity. If someone else is using your identity, you are being deprived that. So in that case, yes, it is analogous to someone actually taking something physical to you. You cannot fully use your identity once someone else starts using it.
- georgieporgie 15y ago
  You cannot fully use your identity once someone else starts using it. Of course you can.
  - alexqgb 15y ago
    Operative word: 'fully'. Down-voted for replying without reading.
    - georgieporgie 15y ago
      Oh, I most certainly read it. Your identity is still fully at your own disposal, even if someone has abused some parts of it.