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Your government did this to you, not mailchimp, not «the west». As long as Putin prioritizes invading sovereign countries for territorial gain, you just have to

Your government did this to you, not mailchimp, not «the west». As long as Putin prioritizes invading sovereign countries for territorial gain, you just have to suck it up.

unmole 5y ago
Putin had bombs planted in Russian cities, had his opponents jailed and assassinated and ordered the bombardment of Chechen, Syrian and Ukranian cities. But I'm pretty sure he didn't lock anyone out of their MailChimp account.
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  Your list are all things that Putin ordered. Then the last thing is something that happened because of his orders. Did Putin personally send millions of refugees out of Ukraine? No, but he ordered the invasion and bombardment. And that's what lead to it happening. Did Putin personally supply Ukraine with German defensive weaponry? Ditto. Did Putin personally do whatever blowback occurs? Ditto.
  - unmole 5y ago
    > Then the last thing is something that happened because of his orders. Evacuating refugees and supplying weapons to Ukraine helps save civilian lives. What exactly does locking out OP from his mailing lists achieve? Far from being blowback, this is virtually zero cost, zero impact corporate virtue signalling.
    - axiosgunnar 5y ago
      > What exactly does locking out OP from his mailing lists achieve? Leave behind an economic scorched earth to hopefully deter future wannabe warmongerers from deciding to war monger. Sorry for OP but tbh, his pain is nothing compared to literally dying as many Ukrainians are right now.
      - unmole 5y ago
        > Leave behind an economic scorched earth to hopefully deter future wannabe warmongerers from deciding to war monger. Right, because it's small tech blogs that are the backbone of the Russian economy, not its state owned energy companies which still continue to sell to Europe. > literally dying as many Ukrainians are right now I mean sure, it's great perfomative activism but how exactly does cancelling OP helps them?
        hnov 5y ago
        It’s astounding isn’t it? Technically Russia isn’t all that dependent on gas exports to Europe for its income but it does seem that Europe is very dependent on Russian gas. Meanwhile the peanut gallery is applauding meaningless gestures like this.
        ZeroGravitas 5y ago
        This is becoming a meme, like that "Nothing bad can happen to the UK because of Brexit, because Germans like British cars" thing that people repeated for no obvious reason. The EU has quite detailed and widespread plans to fuck up the Russian economy on a near permanent basis. They'd basically already done so by taking climate change seriously while Putin tried to pretend it wasn't happening, now they're hitting fast-forward on that plan and specifically targeting Russian carbon first. Russian coal and oil is the easy bit to do and it hurts Russia more, so they're doing that first. It's like shouting at someone with a sniper rifle, "why don't you come out and fight me like a man?". Because it would be strategically unwise and totally unnecessary in order to beat you, is one potential answer.
    - wnkrshm 5y ago
      That supplying weapons does help save civilian lives is a non-sequitur for me. Technically, if you only care about civilian lives, you would immediately surrender. But as to your point, yes - I also think this is mostly virtue signalling - you'd need to lock the columns of the government's power out, i.e. specifically target any members of police/government institutions/military (Edit: as private persons, not only at their workplace). Edit2: Also, specifically targeting only them has a much larger effect than blanket-banning everyone. But I guess it's technically unfeasible without resorting to nation state levels of intelligence resources.
      - unmole 5y ago
        > Technically, if you only care about civilian lives, you would immediately surrender. I think the nuance is that you don't only care about civilian lives. Even peace may be purchased at too high a price. The government of Ukraine thinks that loss of sovereignty is a much higher price to pay.
    - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
      Why is it zero cost to lock out customers? That presumably has a very direct and obvious cost to the person making the decision. As to what it achieves, well at the very least it's conveying some information that Russians won't be getting via their usual media. Why is my blog down? Oh because my country is murdering innocent people again. I thought people who used the phrase 'virtue signaling' liked and supported Putin? So kind of confusing to use it to critique actions taken against him and try to excuse him from blame for the consequences.
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- 1_player 5y ago
  Yes, he wouldn't do anything as bad as locking anyone out of their Mailchimp account.

Your government did this to you, not mailchimp, not «the west». As long as Putin prioritizes invading sovereign countries for territorial gain, you just have to suck it up.

unmole 5y ago

Putin had bombs planted in Russian cities, had his opponents jailed and assassinated and ordered the bombardment of Chechen, Syrian and Ukranian cities. But I'm pretty sure he didn't lock anyone out of their MailChimp account.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago
Your list are all things that Putin ordered. Then the last thing is something that happened because of his orders. Did Putin personally send millions of refugees out of Ukraine? No, but he ordered the invasion and bombardment. And that's what lead to it happening. Did Putin personally supply Ukraine with German defensive weaponry? Ditto. Did Putin personally do whatever blowback occurs? Ditto.
- unmole 5y ago
  > Then the last thing is something that happened because of his orders. Evacuating refugees and supplying weapons to Ukraine helps save civilian lives. What exactly does locking out OP from his mailing lists achieve? Far from being blowback, this is virtually zero cost, zero impact corporate virtue signalling.
  - axiosgunnar 5y ago
    > What exactly does locking out OP from his mailing lists achieve? Leave behind an economic scorched earth to hopefully deter future wannabe warmongerers from deciding to war monger. Sorry for OP but tbh, his pain is nothing compared to literally dying as many Ukrainians are right now.
    - unmole 5y ago
      > Leave behind an economic scorched earth to hopefully deter future wannabe warmongerers from deciding to war monger. Right, because it's small tech blogs that are the backbone of the Russian economy, not its state owned energy companies which still continue to sell to Europe. > literally dying as many Ukrainians are right now I mean sure, it's great perfomative activism but how exactly does cancelling OP helps them?
      - hnov 5y ago
        It’s astounding isn’t it? Technically Russia isn’t all that dependent on gas exports to Europe for its income but it does seem that Europe is very dependent on Russian gas. Meanwhile the peanut gallery is applauding meaningless gestures like this.
        ZeroGravitas 5y ago
        This is becoming a meme, like that "Nothing bad can happen to the UK because of Brexit, because Germans like British cars" thing that people repeated for no obvious reason. The EU has quite detailed and widespread plans to fuck up the Russian economy on a near permanent basis. They'd basically already done so by taking climate change seriously while Putin tried to pretend it wasn't happening, now they're hitting fast-forward on that plan and specifically targeting Russian carbon first. Russian coal and oil is the easy bit to do and it hurts Russia more, so they're doing that first. It's like shouting at someone with a sniper rifle, "why don't you come out and fight me like a man?". Because it would be strategically unwise and totally unnecessary in order to beat you, is one potential answer.
  - wnkrshm 5y ago
    That supplying weapons does help save civilian lives is a non-sequitur for me. Technically, if you only care about civilian lives, you would immediately surrender. But as to your point, yes - I also think this is mostly virtue signalling - you'd need to lock the columns of the government's power out, i.e. specifically target any members of police/government institutions/military (Edit: as private persons, not only at their workplace). Edit2: Also, specifically targeting only them has a much larger effect than blanket-banning everyone. But I guess it's technically unfeasible without resorting to nation state levels of intelligence resources.
    - unmole 5y ago
      > Technically, if you only care about civilian lives, you would immediately surrender. I think the nuance is that you don't only care about civilian lives. Even peace may be purchased at too high a price. The government of Ukraine thinks that loss of sovereignty is a much higher price to pay.
  - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
    Why is it zero cost to lock out customers? That presumably has a very direct and obvious cost to the person making the decision. As to what it achieves, well at the very least it's conveying some information that Russians won't be getting via their usual media. Why is my blog down? Oh because my country is murdering innocent people again. I thought people who used the phrase 'virtue signaling' liked and supported Putin? So kind of confusing to use it to critique actions taken against him and try to excuse him from blame for the consequences.
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1_player 5y ago
Yes, he wouldn't do anything as bad as locking anyone out of their Mailchimp account.