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How would modern Tibetans making their own choices work? They're majority Han Chinese now so are you proposing some kind of apartheid or ethnostate, or Han domi

How would modern Tibetans making their own choices work? They're majority Han Chinese now so are you proposing some kind of apartheid or ethnostate, or Han dominated democracy?

hutzlibu 5y ago
I know, this is not simple with so much time passed and I am not a fan of proofing heritage or ethnicity to be allowed to life anywhere. And I am not directly involved, so I do not propose any concrete solution, due to lack of detail knowledge. But I do see some solutions. Local autonomy. Federalism. Different districts with different systems. End of absolute rule of the CCP - no more interfering in cultural and religious topics. Allow the exil Tibetans and the Dalai Lama to come back, give them back the monastaries. Let them work something out, with the Han chinese who live there today and in many cases, were born there.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  > monastaries The monasteries including their lands? That's absurd.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    Why is that absurd? The catholic church did some pretty horrible things in the past, too. But they changed (and still have most of their churches and land) and it seems, so did the Tibetian Buddhism. So like I said, it is complicated to reverse expropriation, but if it is possible and the tibetians want their temples back, it would sound right to me, to give them at least some important ones.
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      The catholic church is not comparable to the social system in Tibet. When you say "let the Catholic church keep their lands", it is a much smaller claim than saying "let the monastaries keep their land" as the monasteries were the center of the feudal system in Tibet. They owned over half of all of the arable land in Tibet and had legally bound serfs working that land for the benefit of the ecclesiastical class. Your request is more akin to saying that Europe should return the land belonging to feudal lords (ie. most land).
      - hutzlibu 5y ago
        "to give them at least some important ones."
whimsicalism 5y ago
Tibet is not majority Han chinese, not sure where you pulled this fact from.

How would modern Tibetans making their own choices work? They're majority Han Chinese now so are you proposing some kind of apartheid or ethnostate, or Han dominated democracy?

hutzlibu 5y ago

I know, this is not simple with so much time passed and I am not a fan of proofing heritage or ethnicity to be allowed to life anywhere. And I am not directly involved, so I do not propose any concrete solution, due to lack of detail knowledge. But I do see some solutions. Local autonomy. Federalism. Different districts with different systems. End of absolute rule of the CCP - no more interfering in cultural and religious topics. Allow the exil Tibetans and the Dalai Lama to come back, give them back the monastaries. Let them work something out, with the Han chinese who live there today and in many cases, were born there.

whimsicalism 5y ago
> monastaries The monasteries including their lands? That's absurd.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  Why is that absurd? The catholic church did some pretty horrible things in the past, too. But they changed (and still have most of their churches and land) and it seems, so did the Tibetian Buddhism. So like I said, it is complicated to reverse expropriation, but if it is possible and the tibetians want their temples back, it would sound right to me, to give them at least some important ones.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    The catholic church is not comparable to the social system in Tibet. When you say "let the Catholic church keep their lands", it is a much smaller claim than saying "let the monastaries keep their land" as the monasteries were the center of the feudal system in Tibet. They owned over half of all of the arable land in Tibet and had legally bound serfs working that land for the benefit of the ecclesiastical class. Your request is more akin to saying that Europe should return the land belonging to feudal lords (ie. most land).
    - hutzlibu 5y ago
      "to give them at least some important ones."

whimsicalism 5y ago

Tibet is not majority Han chinese, not sure where you pulled this fact from.