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As an owner of both a zero-emissions EV used for commuting and fuel-guzzling "SUV", and for good measure a 3500 super-duper king-everything el-continento-maximu

by fargle 5y ago

As an owner of both a zero-emissions EV used for commuting and fuel-guzzling "SUV", and for good measure a 3500 super-duper king-everything el-continento-maximus truck too, I have to say that this is absolutely extremism, and is hardly rational. I use my vehicles for what they were designed for. I harm the environment far less than the average joe commuter in a prius. Why? I don't drive my giant big trucks and SUVs 20,000-30,000 miles a year - more like 2-3K. So he's spewing far more CO2 than me. How do you know who uses which car for what? Who hauls cargo? Pulls a trailer for the soccer team? etc. Why do you get to decide who it is just to injure? If you think the climate "crisis" is so severe as to make unilateral acts of eco-terrorism morally acceptable, why not just go after the poor long distance commuters? Start slicing camry and prius tires in suburban bedroom communities instead! Secondly, while it's absolutely your own opinion on who to judge in your private house, when you cross that line and start vandalizing my property, you can bet you're going to get called on it, charges pressed, and/or sued. Dumb. Make your point, but keep your hands off other people's property. If you desire change, vote accordingly or at least protest legally. Finally, I'll point out that the brochure includes compact cross-overs RAV-4 as an SUV. Hardly. It's a tall compact car that barely seats four+, and can get 40+ mpg.

oneplane 5y ago
That website doesn't advocate 'slashing tires'. But as an owner of three (???) cars, I suppose the concept they advocate for would be the inverse of your preference.
- fargle 5y ago
  I'm also not actually advocated for slashing tires of long-distance-commuters, but I'm pointing out there is very little difference, and secondly their target is misidentified. > But as an owner of three (???) cars, first of all, I don't own three cars. I own exactly one, very sensible, car, one "SUV", and several other pieces of heavy equipment that are all used properly and efficiently. I'm far too cheap to waste money on status symbols or gas guzzling. The concept that they advocate for should be the inverse of every fair minded human. Let's vandalize other peoples stuff if we don't agree (and anonymously downvote too!).
  - rascul 5y ago
    > first of all, I don't own three cars. I own exactly one, very sensible, car, one "SUV", and several other pieces of heavy equipment that are all used properly and efficiently. I often hear "car" used as a synonym with "automobile". And dictionaries seem to agree with that. However, I do not call my pickup truck a car, but I do have another car which I call a car. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/automobile https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/automobile https://www.dictionary.com/browse/car https://www.dictionary.com/browse/car https://www.thefreedictionary.com/car https://www.thefreedictionary.com/car https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/car https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/car https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/car https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/car
    - fargle 5y ago
      uh huh... And how many synonyms for "three" do you know of? I didn't say I owned three "automobiles" either. The responder was apparently dazed, and/or annoyed by owning more than two of something "(???)", none of which was the point. The point is that - I am one that this article would have called out to be vandalized, but for no good reason. So I can identify as to the arbitrariness of fixating on a single thing (e.g. "SUVs"). I don't care what you drive, how big it is, how many of them you have, etc. and nor should any of you. I care about the environment, and I'm a better steward of it than most. If you want to care about carbon footprint, then fine, protest those who are wasteful, but don't go letting the air out of some poor soccer mom's rav4s that she might drive 50 miles a week because it will save the earth.
      - rascul 5y ago
        > mmm hrm. And how many synonyms for "three" do you know of? I didn't say I owned three "automobiles" either. You did list three vehicles, that could be where the three came from. I probably shouldn't have commented though, but I guess it's too late for that. > The point is that - I am one that this article would have called out to be vandalized, but for no reason so I can identify. I don't care what you drive, how big it is, how many of them you have, etc. and nor should any of you. I care about the environment, and I'm a better steward of it than most. I am too. And I too would get very angry if something like this left me stranded 30 miles from the job site with a load of lumber while I was in a restaurant eating lunch. The words I would use in such a situation would not be appropriate here.

by fargle 5y ago

oneplane 5y ago

That website doesn't advocate 'slashing tires'. But as an owner of three (???) cars, I suppose the concept they advocate for would be the inverse of your preference.

fargle 5y ago
I'm also not actually advocated for slashing tires of long-distance-commuters, but I'm pointing out there is very little difference, and secondly their target is misidentified. > But as an owner of three (???) cars, first of all, I don't own three cars. I own exactly one, very sensible, car, one "SUV", and several other pieces of heavy equipment that are all used properly and efficiently. I'm far too cheap to waste money on status symbols or gas guzzling. The concept that they advocate for should be the inverse of every fair minded human. Let's vandalize other peoples stuff if we don't agree (and anonymously downvote too!).
- rascul 5y ago
  > first of all, I don't own three cars. I own exactly one, very sensible, car, one "SUV", and several other pieces of heavy equipment that are all used properly and efficiently. I often hear "car" used as a synonym with "automobile". And dictionaries seem to agree with that. However, I do not call my pickup truck a car, but I do have another car which I call a car. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/automobile https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/automobile https://www.dictionary.com/browse/car https://www.dictionary.com/browse/car https://www.thefreedictionary.com/car https://www.thefreedictionary.com/car https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/car https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/car https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/car https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/car
  - fargle 5y ago
    uh huh... And how many synonyms for "three" do you know of? I didn't say I owned three "automobiles" either. The responder was apparently dazed, and/or annoyed by owning more than two of something "(???)", none of which was the point. The point is that - I am one that this article would have called out to be vandalized, but for no good reason. So I can identify as to the arbitrariness of fixating on a single thing (e.g. "SUVs"). I don't care what you drive, how big it is, how many of them you have, etc. and nor should any of you. I care about the environment, and I'm a better steward of it than most. If you want to care about carbon footprint, then fine, protest those who are wasteful, but don't go letting the air out of some poor soccer mom's rav4s that she might drive 50 miles a week because it will save the earth.
    - rascul 5y ago
      > mmm hrm. And how many synonyms for "three" do you know of? I didn't say I owned three "automobiles" either. You did list three vehicles, that could be where the three came from. I probably shouldn't have commented though, but I guess it's too late for that. > The point is that - I am one that this article would have called out to be vandalized, but for no reason so I can identify. I don't care what you drive, how big it is, how many of them you have, etc. and nor should any of you. I care about the environment, and I'm a better steward of it than most. I am too. And I too would get very angry if something like this left me stranded 30 miles from the job site with a load of lumber while I was in a restaurant eating lunch. The words I would use in such a situation would not be appropriate here.