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If you were on an internal beta program of Apple/Google and as an Apple/Google employee badmouthed the product you were testing, would you call it a "shitstorm"

If you were on an internal beta program of Apple/Google and as an Apple/Google employee badmouthed the product you were testing, would you call it a "shitstorm" if they revoked your access and fired you?

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ClumsyPilot 5y ago
Yes, personal retaliation against criticism is about as 'proper' behaviour as is pissing in public It should be criminal when the product has safety inplocation
- mlindner 5y ago
  > It should be criminal when the product has safety inplocation I think you meant "implication". And no there is no "safety implications" in this case. This is just someone violating their NDA while also badmouthing their employer and being fired for it. > Yes, personal retaliation against criticism is about as 'proper' behaviour as is pissing in public There is zero evidence of any "personal retaliation" here.
whoisburbansky 5y ago
If it was a beta that was accessible to the public and that I paid for, hell yeah.
- mlindner 5y ago
  You cannot buy your way into the beta. You need to request access.
  - whoisburbansky 5y ago
    I had it in my head somehow that the only version of the FSD out was the beta, didn’t realize the beta was a layer on top of the paid FSD package. Cutting off beta access seems reasonable here if the paid FSD package wasn’t rescinded.
    - alphabettsy 5y ago
      FSD only exists in Beta
      - jazzyjackson 5y ago
        There are several features packaged as "full self driving", a subset of which are in Beta: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot imo the distinction is deliberately obtuse, people pay 10k thinking they're getting FSD, and you do get auto lane change and smart summon, but stop signs and navigating autopilot are behind the safety-scored limited rollout.
        alphabettsy 5y ago
        Navigate on autopilot, lane change and summon are/were part of enhanced autopilot already. It’s clear that many or most people are paying that money thinking they’re going to get the Beta features.
    - alistairSH 5y ago
      Autopilot - Tesla’s older auto-cruise control, now included on all their cars? FSD - Tesla’s auto-drive that is anything but “Full” and essentially a live beta, and a $10k option. FSD Beta - Tesla’s latest FSD software that’s somewhere between alpha and beta status. Free for those who qualify, request access, and have paid for FSD.
- sudhirj 5y ago
  Access to the beta isn’t for sale, no? If you paid for the final product you’ll get it, but I don’t think anyone is obligated to let you in on a beta.
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benatkin 5y ago
It's an "internal beta" on public roads*. People should be allowed to share information about the vehicles they're driving that could have an effect on safety. * I assume so, based on the first paragraph of the article: "showing how the company’s Full Self Driving Beta system worked in different locations around Silicon Valley"
- cowsandmilk 5y ago
  it isn't even an internal beta. It is a public beta.
chemmail 5y ago
People who work at Apple/Google are smart enough not to do this. Just saying.
anothernewdude 5y ago
And then deleted your gmail account?
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itsoktocry 5y ago
>badmouthed You say "badmouthed", I say "exposed". Clearly this person was a Tesla fan, he was merely demonstrating (perhaps inadvertently) the inadequacies of a system for which there's am ongoing misleading narrative.

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ClumsyPilot 5y ago

Yes, personal retaliation against criticism is about as 'proper' behaviour as is pissing in public It should be criminal when the product has safety inplocation

mlindner 5y ago
> It should be criminal when the product has safety inplocation I think you meant "implication". And no there is no "safety implications" in this case. This is just someone violating their NDA while also badmouthing their employer and being fired for it. > Yes, personal retaliation against criticism is about as 'proper' behaviour as is pissing in public There is zero evidence of any "personal retaliation" here.

whoisburbansky 5y ago

If it was a beta that was accessible to the public and that I paid for, hell yeah.

mlindner 5y ago
You cannot buy your way into the beta. You need to request access.
- whoisburbansky 5y ago
  I had it in my head somehow that the only version of the FSD out was the beta, didn’t realize the beta was a layer on top of the paid FSD package. Cutting off beta access seems reasonable here if the paid FSD package wasn’t rescinded.
  - alphabettsy 5y ago
    FSD only exists in Beta
    - jazzyjackson 5y ago
      There are several features packaged as "full self driving", a subset of which are in Beta: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot imo the distinction is deliberately obtuse, people pay 10k thinking they're getting FSD, and you do get auto lane change and smart summon, but stop signs and navigating autopilot are behind the safety-scored limited rollout.
      - alphabettsy 5y ago
        Navigate on autopilot, lane change and summon are/were part of enhanced autopilot already. It’s clear that many or most people are paying that money thinking they’re going to get the Beta features.
  - alistairSH 5y ago
    Autopilot - Tesla’s older auto-cruise control, now included on all their cars? FSD - Tesla’s auto-drive that is anything but “Full” and essentially a live beta, and a $10k option. FSD Beta - Tesla’s latest FSD software that’s somewhere between alpha and beta status. Free for those who qualify, request access, and have paid for FSD.
sudhirj 5y ago
Access to the beta isn’t for sale, no? If you paid for the final product you’ll get it, but I don’t think anyone is obligated to let you in on a beta.

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benatkin 5y ago

It's an "internal beta" on public roads*. People should be allowed to share information about the vehicles they're driving that could have an effect on safety. * I assume so, based on the first paragraph of the article: "showing how the company’s Full Self Driving Beta system worked in different locations around Silicon Valley"

cowsandmilk 5y ago
it isn't even an internal beta. It is a public beta.

chemmail 5y ago

People who work at Apple/Google are smart enough not to do this. Just saying.

anothernewdude 5y ago

And then deleted your gmail account?

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itsoktocry 5y ago

>badmouthed You say "badmouthed", I say "exposed". Clearly this person was a Tesla fan, he was merely demonstrating (perhaps inadvertently) the inadequacies of a system for which there's am ongoing misleading narrative.