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Clearly you must understand you are in the minority and most of the world have jobs requiring a set start time. And once you partner with another you must now

Clearly you must understand you are in the minority and most of the world have jobs requiring a set start time. And once you partner with another you must now hope you both can be afforded that luxury of a job. Despite working remotely since 2008 I'm married to someone who works at a hospital and must be there by 7am. Getting woken up and trying to fall back asleep is much worse than just going to bed with her and waking up with her to get uninterrupted sleep. Add on kids to that equation who must be at the bus stop at a certain time and the number of working households who can wake up with the sun is minuscule.

dheera 5y ago
> Clearly you must understand you are in the minority and most of the world have jobs requiring a set start time. This sounds like internet forum flamebait. "Clearly?" I have a relatively consistent job start time around 9am on most days which I think is quite possibly the median start time of all jobs and is well after sunrise. > I'm married to someone who works at a hospital and must be there by 7am I would hypothesize that the majority of people are not married to people who need to be at their jobs at 7am. For those that do, I imagine sunrise is not really much of a factor anyway, they will probably be getting up before sunrise regardless.
- jameshart 5y ago
  > I would hypothesize that the majority of people are not married to people who need to be at their jobs at 7am. BLS collect data on this in the 'American Time Use Survey'. According to https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2015/article/night-owls-and-early-birds.htm https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2015/article/night-owls-an... 29% of people are working at their main place of employment at 7am on any given day. 52% are at work at 8am. The time use survey doesn't distinguish though between people who are at work at 7am coming up to the end of a night shift vs those who are at work at 7am at the start of a day shift. Regardless, it certainly gives the impression that households where at least one working adult has to be at work by 7 are not freakish outliers. The reality of construction, retail, cleaning, healthcare, childcare, transport and many other common lines of work is early starts. Many of these jobs aren't early directly because they line up with daylight, though - they're early because they need to get started before the rest of the workforce begins its day, because they exist in service of it. So if we all agree 'well, sure, lawyers can put up with a few more dark mornings in December', we're implicitly also deciding 'and baristas can have dark starts from October through to March'.

dheera 5y ago

> Clearly you must understand you are in the minority and most of the world have jobs requiring a set start time. This sounds like internet forum flamebait. "Clearly?" I have a relatively consistent job start time around 9am on most days which I think is quite possibly the median start time of all jobs and is well after sunrise. > I'm married to someone who works at a hospital and must be there by 7am I would hypothesize that the majority of people are not married to people who need to be at their jobs at 7am. For those that do, I imagine sunrise is not really much of a factor anyway, they will probably be getting up before sunrise regardless.

jameshart 5y ago
> I would hypothesize that the majority of people are not married to people who need to be at their jobs at 7am. BLS collect data on this in the 'American Time Use Survey'. According to https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2015/article/night-owls-and-early-birds.htm https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2015/article/night-owls-an... 29% of people are working at their main place of employment at 7am on any given day. 52% are at work at 8am. The time use survey doesn't distinguish though between people who are at work at 7am coming up to the end of a night shift vs those who are at work at 7am at the start of a day shift. Regardless, it certainly gives the impression that households where at least one working adult has to be at work by 7 are not freakish outliers. The reality of construction, retail, cleaning, healthcare, childcare, transport and many other common lines of work is early starts. Many of these jobs aren't early directly because they line up with daylight, though - they're early because they need to get started before the rest of the workforce begins its day, because they exist in service of it. So if we all agree 'well, sure, lawyers can put up with a few more dark mornings in December', we're implicitly also deciding 'and baristas can have dark starts from October through to March'.