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Hot Dog Linux – Horrible Obsolete Typeface and Dreadful Onscreen Graphics
- Zardoz84 5y agoThis reminded me to the old awm (Amiga Window Manager). It keeps working on modern distros.
- JNRowe 5y agoPerhaps you meant amiwm¹? awm² looks like a different thing. amiwm is still packaged in at least Debian, and just firing it up in a Xephyr window is pretty nostalgic. ¹ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiwm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiwm ² https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardent_Window_Manager https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardent_Window_Manager
- filmgirlcw 5y agoI love everything about this. No other notes. Just that I love this and want to live here.
- rashkov 5y agoWow the themes look so good. What a labor of love.
- eternityforest 5y agoThat's pretty cool, it's like if TempleOS was a Linux!
- wenus 5y agoIn what way?
- snek_case 5y agoWell, it's missing the games, the religious gospel, and racist remarks by the author.
- JasonFruit 5y agoAnd you're missing some compassion.
- snek_case 5y agoIn what way? I recognize that the remarks Terry A. Davis made were not his fault, it's the mental illness. Doesn't change the fact that he had an unfortunate fixation on race. I wish his terrible fate could have been avoided, but having been very close for many years to a schizophrenic person, I can tell you that they will only get treatment if they want to. You can't force them. You can try to be there and help them in small ways, but sometimes it's just impossible to make them change course. When I think of TempleOS I think that it was both strange and funny. It was the artistic creation of a mentally ill programmer. I still think that, if it made me and other people laugh at times, that's a small positive thing. I wasn't laughing at the creator, but the small religious minigames in TempleOS cracked me up at times. Linus Tech Tips reviews TempleOS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlyeDAJR7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlyeDAJR7A
- zozbot234 5y ago> Doesn't change the fact that he had an unfortunate fixation on race. If so, he shares that trait with plenty of people in the US, who increasingly view "racial blindness" as untenable. Of course it's not their fault either: "noticing" race is simply a very successful, self-replicating memetic parasite which can leverage the likes of Twitter or 4chan equally as platforms for its spread.
- ILMostro7 5y agoyikes. Racial blindness is still a form of blindness. If everyone spent more time working on their own shit everyone would be better off. Instead, one side is scared of and angry at the other side, easily leading to stubborn refusal to grow or down a slippery slope towards hatred or indifference.
- gotaquestion 5y agoMac Classic (Color) was so dang tidy.
- geoffeg 5y agoAnd I love how sparingly classic MacOS used colors.
- drewzero1 5y agoSystem 7 was great with a color monitor. Subtle, clean, efficient without being boring or sterile.
- nineteen999 5y agoYeah, but without preemptive multitasking, it's like putting lipstick on a pig.
- Koshkin 5y agoPreemptive multitasking is overrated. (In particular, it seems to me that graphical applications may behave better when they cooperate. I think that a desktop OS should accommodate both kinds.)
- NoGravitas 5y agoThere are things where you can't do without preemptive multitasking. I remember that under Windows 3.1, I couldn't download a file over zmodem at 2400 baud while doing anything else, whether the terminal application was DOS or Win16. With the same DOS app, on the same computer, under OS/2, I could do pretty much as I liked while downloading. Cooperative multitasking has gotten a lot better these days, though, in the form of coroutines and async io.
- nineteen999 5y agoI suppose we should do away with page tables and virtual memory then as well. Maybe you weren't around to witness the instability of cooperative multitasking under both classic MacOS and Windows 3.1/95, or you've forgotten.
- TulliusCicero 5y agoMy God, it’s beautiful!
- 0xbadcafebee 5y agoIt's terrible, I love it. I also love that all the setup scripts are badly-written Perl scripts, and even some custom C code just to change the mixer rather than use alsactl. This is 1000% something I would have made years ago. edit Holy moly, the configs are CSV files.... that encode JSON?! And hey, Slack 15 is out! If they do a new release they won't need to release again for another 6 years!
- ForOldHack 5y ago"badly-written Perl scripts..." You are much too kind to the monkeys who put this together. The config is nice, but Chicago? Chicago font? I thought that was buried deep, long ago.
- moltke 5y agoAm I weird for liking Chicago?
- mbg721 5y agoDo you enjoy casserole that calls itself pizza, and roast beef sub-sandwiches that demand dipping?
- moltke 5y agoNo. I've never really liked anything about Chicago the city (although I have some fond memories living in a nearby suburb for a few years as a child.) I don't like the food, I don't like the politics etc. I do like the font though. It's a bit like the Plan9 font, it just feels comfortable.
- eyelidlessness 5y agoWhy yes I enjoy both of those things. But the former is better classified as a lasagna. And the latter is just a good way to keep your sandwich intact with such a moist condiment.
- zaps 5y ago
- cheaprentalyeti 5y agoIf it doesn't have System D I may have to check it out.
- freedomben 5y agoBased on the design goals, I would guess that they intentionally want a PID 1 that doesn't properly handle and pass signals to child processes :-D
- toast0 5y agoI can't tell if that means probably systemd or not.
- boondaburrah 5y agowrite the init as a perl script; you know you want to.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y agoIf people can make emacs pid 1 and run the system in lisp, surely perl can do the job! Or maybe that doesn't follow; emacs is already its own OS...
- RachelF 5y agoMicrosoft will be copying this for Windows 12 ;-)
- layer8 5y agoThat would arguably be an improvement. :)
- paleotrope 5y ago"Obsolete typeface" is an interesting thought.
- zoom6628 5y agoNow waiting for Azure and AWS products based on HOTDOG ….. :-D
- msla 5y agoI don't get how a lack of Unicode support has anything to do with making an OS shell that's visually ugly and old-fashioned. There's a difference between being ugly and being broken.
- layer8 5y agoSimplicity. Full Unicode support is horridly complex.
- KerrAvon 5y agoWhat does it mean in practice, though? Only ASCII is supported by the UI layer? Latin-1? MacRoman?
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- throwaway984393 5y agoThe window manager seems to do a bunch of different things, some with files and input, so basically it would expect non-UTF text for those operations
- layer8 5y agoIn the early days you’d just replace the font to get whatever interpretation you want. :)
- Maken 5y agoIt uses really old bitmap fonts, with no fallback for missing symbols and no way to incorporate accents, diacriticals or essentially anything but ASCII characters. Under these circunstances lack of Unicode support is a given.
- bitwize 5y agoI was sold on the retro Mac OS X screenshot with Windows 3.x system font text.
- floren 5y agoThis is an interesting combination of extremely good-looking themes and frankly bizarre stuff like this: https://hotdoglinux.com/EverythingIsAStream/index.html https://hotdoglinux.com/EverythingIsAStream/index.html
- technofiend 5y agoMy company recently issued me a mac for remote work. I'm sorely tempted to load this in a VM so I can "accidentally" share my desktop via zoom and then claim ignorance that this is not in fact MacOS.
- KerrAvon 5y agoBonus points for doing it with the Amiga theme. “macOS sure is blue.”
- 0des 5y agoCommodore did nothing wrong.
- jamal-kumar 5y agodo it
- raverbashing 5y agoNah. Use the Aqua one, then they can't complain it's not MacOS
- Epiphany21 5y agoPlank could provide a dock and iDesk can do desktop icons. It would probably take less than an hour to get the Aqua theme really close to the real deal.
- zhte415 5y ago> Windows 3.1 Hot Dog Stand, Amiga Workbench, Atari ST GEM, and Mac Classic and Aqua Horrible? Were these not the cutting edge? Do we not hark back to these UIs with fondness for their simplicity and 'it just works'?
- gpderetta 5y agoThe original 1.x Amiga Workbench was IMHO just ugly even when it was current (I would know, I owned an Amiga); of course it was just the best they could do with the 4 colour palette they allocated to it. The general design was still good. The look of 2.x was fine. I never had a mac, but I think that classic mac is indeed ok and I do like Aqua. For me the prettiest GUI design is still classic NeXT and I would still use WindowMaker on linux if it had more modern WM features. The biggest issues with these old environments is that today we are used to much higher screen resolutions, but a modern WM with a classic look would be pretty good for me (and of course with themes you can mostly do just that).
- thewileyone 5y ago> For me the prettiest GUI design is still classic NeXT Someone with taste!
- jamal-kumar 5y agoThis is so funny Like... It's a hot dog. Like code version of lips and asses I'm trying to think of what's still running in objective-c since the 90s outside of legacy iphone apps and it's SOGo [1] [1] https://www.sogo.nu/ https://www.sogo.nu/
- forgetfulness 5y agoIt's named after the infamous "Hot Dog Stand" theme that was packaged with Windows 3.1 https://blog.codinghorror.com/a-tribute-to-the-windows-31-hot-dog-stand-color-scheme/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/a-tribute-to-the-windows-31-ho...
- wrycoder 5y agoYou mean I don’t need my “Programming in Objective C” book anymore?
- 1MachineElf 5y agoIt's beautiful. Don't change a thing. Folks who enjoy this may also like NsCDE: https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE
- Koshkin 5y agoOr the real one: https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
- hakfoo 5y agoI've been a little disappointed that nobody seems to be doing a CDE-as-first-class-citizen distribution. Considering how many offerings there are that's "Ubuntu or Debian, but we changed the default desktop environment", it seems an obvious missing space.
- snthpy 5y agoLove the Amiga Workbench theme. Might give this a try.
- altcognito 5y agoBack in the day when you worked desktop tech support you would come across folks who used the windows hot dog color scheme unironically. I imagine the contrast was good? It couldn’t help but give a little bit of a eyebrow rise and a a head tilt.
- jmmv 5y agoHorrible? Dreadful? I fear I'm going to have to waste my upcoming weekend trying to get the Windows 3.x theme running.
- nightski 5y agoI remember using a program called HotDog Professional a long time ago. Brings back memories.
- throwaway984393 5y agoHotDog was sweet. Back when nobody cared what the code looked like. All you needed was a WYSIWYG editor to be a powerful webmaster, and "deployment" was just FTP
- gsliepen 5y agoThey made the Atari ST theme extra terrible by having the desktop render like it's a 320x200 screen, making the window decorations look way bigger and blockier than they would do if GEM itself was running on a 640x400 screen. Also a missed opportunity is replacing the standard xterm font so it matches the system font of the desktop they are emulating. But they do live up to their name!
- blt 5y agoA perfect mixture of insightful and deranged.
- jcelerier 5y agoI hope I can put it on my risc-v devterm
- WesolyKubeczek 5y agoAs I’m growing older, I appreciate those typefaces for the sheer fucking contrast and readability they have. On low DPI screens, I seek bitmap fonts for the UI (and it disappoints me that the support for them in toolkits seems to be getting shoddier, to the point that it’s easier to use TrueType fonts that mimic bitmaps); on high DPI screens, I’m using serif fonts. I’m toying with the idea of purely black and white themes so I can use them on my eInk screens, too, pity there’s so little time.
- kazinator 5y agoI'm using a nice bitmapped font called knxt by Constantine Bytensky.
- jstimpfle 5y agoIt's the reason why I'm still using xterm where I can. Even on the screenshots in the OP, the xterm font comes out super crisp.
- toyg 5y agoI recently played around with the Badger2040 board, which has a low-res eInk screen, and was very disappointed that the firmware does not contain a single old-school terminal-oriented bitmap font - making all text look horrible almost on purpose. Hardware hackers can be occasionally puzzling in their choices.
- swiftcoder 5y ago> Graphical user interface based on retro computer systems including ... Aqua Was not ready to see Mac OS X in a retro computing list. I feel old.
- jug 5y agoIt sounded like and is kind of a joke, but there was some serious work on those retro themes! Pretty damn accurate stuff.
- BoxOfRain 5y agoIf you could skin modern macOS with a 1:1 remake of the Panther or Tiger era Aqua interface I'd literally use it as a daily driver.
- ricardobayes 5y agosame
- nix23 5y agoStill looks better then Gnome ;)
- musicale 5y agoI like most of these better than Ubuntu's defaults.