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Are you sure you want to do comparison? As late as 1863, captured leaders of the Taiping Rebellion were sentenced to death by slicing flesh off the body until

Are you sure you want to do comparison? As late as 1863, captured leaders of the Taiping Rebellion were sentenced to death by slicing flesh off the body until they died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Dakai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Dakai

whimsicalism 5y ago
This is whataboutism. No relevance to the issue at hand whatsoever.
- 1024core 5y ago
  .... says the person comparing Tibet to Saudi Arabia.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    What? It was the person I was replying to making comparisons with Saudi Arabia, I was merely responding.
    - 1024core 5y ago
      > but are you at all familiar with the history of pre-CCP Tibet? Their "theocracy" was likely worse than Saudi Arabias
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        Yes, now read one comment up where Saudi Arabia is mentioned as a comparison with other theocracies, such as Tibet. Tibet was much more closer to SA (rigidly authoritarian, brutal punishments) than Pakistan (democratic election of leaders, less chopping off of people's limbs)
- yongjik 5y ago
  I'm saying that it's silly to argue that Tibetans don't deserve their own government because ancient Tibetans were horrible people, when the current alternative is Tibetans being ruled by China with its own horrible ancestors. Ancient people were horrible everywhere. It's not really an argument for anything.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    The Tibetans deserve a government that represents them, but not the Dalai Lama led one (although I don't agree with a principle of "every ethnic group governs themselves" or something like that. I don't think it is wrong or colonialist to be part of a supranational, pluralistic state - but China is obviously authoritarian). These aren't "ancient Tibetans"... this is quite literally the Tibetian government directly prior to the Chinese takeover, ie. within current people's lifetime. There are direct, credible witnesses to what Tibet under the current Dalai Lama's government was like. The current Dalai Lama was picked by people who tortured their citizens and gouged out their eyes for trying to organize away from serfdom. The current Dalai Lama oversaw a feudal system where these sorts of punishments continued to be carried out. Tashi Tsering's autobiography details the extensive whippings and sexual assault he experienced working in the current Dalai Lama's dance troupe, prior to the Chinese takeover. This is not "ancient" history.
    - powerapple 5y ago
      If I view people as animals, I just wish them stay the same for generations, so my kids can visit them, their exotic cultures. Don't have my stupid modern life style, stay pure, stay different. I feel that's how people see this world. In many tourists places, people have to pretend to be the same as old time, wear exotic clothes, do something stupid shit in village for tourists to see. That's how this world is, becoming a big zoo.

whimsicalism 5y ago

This is whataboutism. No relevance to the issue at hand whatsoever.

1024core 5y ago
.... says the person comparing Tibet to Saudi Arabia.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  What? It was the person I was replying to making comparisons with Saudi Arabia, I was merely responding.
  - 1024core 5y ago
    > but are you at all familiar with the history of pre-CCP Tibet? Their "theocracy" was likely worse than Saudi Arabias
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      Yes, now read one comment up where Saudi Arabia is mentioned as a comparison with other theocracies, such as Tibet. Tibet was much more closer to SA (rigidly authoritarian, brutal punishments) than Pakistan (democratic election of leaders, less chopping off of people's limbs)
yongjik 5y ago
I'm saying that it's silly to argue that Tibetans don't deserve their own government because ancient Tibetans were horrible people, when the current alternative is Tibetans being ruled by China with its own horrible ancestors. Ancient people were horrible everywhere. It's not really an argument for anything.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  The Tibetans deserve a government that represents them, but not the Dalai Lama led one (although I don't agree with a principle of "every ethnic group governs themselves" or something like that. I don't think it is wrong or colonialist to be part of a supranational, pluralistic state - but China is obviously authoritarian). These aren't "ancient Tibetans"... this is quite literally the Tibetian government directly prior to the Chinese takeover, ie. within current people's lifetime. There are direct, credible witnesses to what Tibet under the current Dalai Lama's government was like. The current Dalai Lama was picked by people who tortured their citizens and gouged out their eyes for trying to organize away from serfdom. The current Dalai Lama oversaw a feudal system where these sorts of punishments continued to be carried out. Tashi Tsering's autobiography details the extensive whippings and sexual assault he experienced working in the current Dalai Lama's dance troupe, prior to the Chinese takeover. This is not "ancient" history.
  - powerapple 5y ago
    If I view people as animals, I just wish them stay the same for generations, so my kids can visit them, their exotic cultures. Don't have my stupid modern life style, stay pure, stay different. I feel that's how people see this world. In many tourists places, people have to pretend to be the same as old time, wear exotic clothes, do something stupid shit in village for tourists to see. That's how this world is, becoming a big zoo.