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Wouldn't this increase property values and rent too? What was the angle for NIMBY objection ? It seems like this will only increase demand but not the supply -

Wouldn't this increase property values and rent too? What was the angle for NIMBY objection ? It seems like this will only increase demand but not the supply - an ideal NIMBY outcome.

pvg 5y ago
It's not really stated explicitly but it mostly boils down to wanting to have the benefits of the place being a college town without too many of the inconveniences of the place being a college town.
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
This is a thing people often don’t get about NIMBYs. It’s almost never about property values. It’s generally about preserving things as they were at the time the NIMBY person settled down there.
genocidicbunny 5y ago
Your average NIMBY doesn't want _any_ change. They want their neighborhoods to be preserved exactly the way they are without anything changing. Higher property values is just a mask to hide the less palatable message of 'I want to ossify my neighborhood'.
- mbg721 5y ago
  Another way to frame that is "I'm heavily personally invested in this neighborhood, and I don't want all the things that I love about it to be lost." Change for change's sake isn't necessarily good.
  - coolspot 5y ago
    Careful when you talk like that to a Genocidic Bunny.
  - genocidicbunny 5y ago
    Yes, and that is the framing that is commonly used by NIMBYs. The trouble is, this is akin to trying to stop the ocean from breaking waves on the beach. The change is going to happen. You can stand against it, or you can work with it to get a mutually beneficial outcome. If you choose to stand against it, don't be surprised when the world either rolls you over or goes around you.
    - mbg721 5y ago
      - genocidicbunny 5y ago
        Well if we keep going with that metaphor -- the crotchety rock might resist, but ultimately it ends up as sand on the beach as well. And the ocean cares not whether its waves pound a rocky or sandy shore.
  - ciphol 5y ago
    It's not change for change's sake, it's change to provide housing and schooling and so on for a growing population.

Wouldn't this increase property values and rent too? What was the angle for NIMBY objection ? It seems like this will only increase demand but not the supply - an ideal NIMBY outcome.

pvg 5y ago

It's not really stated explicitly but it mostly boils down to wanting to have the benefits of the place being a college town without too many of the inconveniences of the place being a college town.

6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago

This is a thing people often don’t get about NIMBYs. It’s almost never about property values. It’s generally about preserving things as they were at the time the NIMBY person settled down there.

genocidicbunny 5y ago

Your average NIMBY doesn't want _any_ change. They want their neighborhoods to be preserved exactly the way they are without anything changing. Higher property values is just a mask to hide the less palatable message of 'I want to ossify my neighborhood'.

mbg721 5y ago
Another way to frame that is "I'm heavily personally invested in this neighborhood, and I don't want all the things that I love about it to be lost." Change for change's sake isn't necessarily good.
- coolspot 5y ago
  Careful when you talk like that to a Genocidic Bunny.
- genocidicbunny 5y ago
  Yes, and that is the framing that is commonly used by NIMBYs. The trouble is, this is akin to trying to stop the ocean from breaking waves on the beach. The change is going to happen. You can stand against it, or you can work with it to get a mutually beneficial outcome. If you choose to stand against it, don't be surprised when the world either rolls you over or goes around you.
  - mbg721 5y ago
    - genocidicbunny 5y ago
      Well if we keep going with that metaphor -- the crotchety rock might resist, but ultimately it ends up as sand on the beach as well. And the ocean cares not whether its waves pound a rocky or sandy shore.
- ciphol 5y ago
  It's not change for change's sake, it's change to provide housing and schooling and so on for a growing population.