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> People are so disconnected from the world that their abstractions of it become more real to them than actual reality. Because my job starts at 9 am regardles

> People are so disconnected from the world that their abstractions of it become more real to them than actual reality. Because my job starts at 9 am regardless of the position of the sun.

reificator 5y ago
Changing your working hours means a talk with your boss and maybe HR. If we didn’t have DST maybe it would be a box you check when you get hired. We spend so much on engineering systems that handle DST changes, there’s an increase in sleep deprived auto accidents, people die from heart attacks… All to avoid individuals asking for different hours at work? Sorry, “changing” time twice a year is not a reasonable substitute for scheduling work appropriately depending on the season.
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- watwut 5y ago
  That is not true for wast majority of jobs where boss sets time ... and pretty often have reason for it. And schools won't adjust schedule just for you personally. Nor clubs nor churches and even friends when they do party they set time.
  - reificator 5y ago
    They already change schedules though, we just launder it through the time “change” despite clear evidence of costs in both productivity and literal human life.
    - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
      > They already change schedules though Yes, because the rest of society also changes their schedules, in sync. Most people don't have the ability to unilaterally change when they work irrespective of everyone else. If they did, switching between DST and standard time wouldn't matter either—just tell your boss you'll be coming into work an hour "later" in the summer.
  - grogenaut 5y ago
    Clubs and churches will be based on when people can most likely make it. I think those things will sort themselves out. They already accomodate for things like weather, light, etc.
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- grogenaut 5y ago
  I'm betting for certain types of jobs schedules are not flexible, and for other types of jobs it doesn't matter. For my job, I skipped an important meeting this morning because they scheduled it at 8am and I didn't want to get up that early. Not sure anyone cared.
  - reificator 5y ago
    Their schedules are clearly flexible because they’re already changing them twice a year under the current system.
    - ironmagma 5y ago
      No, they're not. They keep the time the same. If they kept the sunlight percentage the same instead, they'd be doing those meetings at a different time each month, as the sunrise and sunset change throughout the year.
betwixthewires 5y ago
So then what's the point of any of this? If you live your life based on what the clock says, why change what the clock says in relation to the position of the sun at all?
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  The last few weeks before the DST switch in the fall are hell for me every year. The sun doesn't rise in earnest until ~7:30, but my job starts at the same time, so I always wake up groggy and feeling terrible. It usually lasts the whole day. Now I'm going to have that for three months, while the sun rises even later! I'm not in favor of switching clocks, but I'd rather switch than have permanent DST. This change caught me out of nowhere and I'm already dreading it, I'm going to be miserable all winter!
  - jedberg 5y ago
    Maybe this will finally be the push that gets companies to change their start and end times in winter.
    - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
      Won't this have all the same problems of the current DST switch? During the week of the schedule change, employees will be less productive and more susceptible to health problems. The inherent problem is that we're switching the time by a full hour all at once. We could make the change more gradually, perhaps by a few minutes each week—but nobody wants to coordinate that!
      - jedberg 5y ago
        If they did it all at once. But it would be totally reasonable for the company to say shift it 15 or 30 minutes a week or make other concessions like having everyone switch on different days based on a shift schedule or whatever. They could also tie it to a vacation where people tend to shift schedules anyway. Like “new hours after the new year!”

> People are so disconnected from the world that their abstractions of it become more real to them than actual reality. Because my job starts at 9 am regardless of the position of the sun.

reificator 5y ago

Changing your working hours means a talk with your boss and maybe HR. If we didn’t have DST maybe it would be a box you check when you get hired. We spend so much on engineering systems that handle DST changes, there’s an increase in sleep deprived auto accidents, people die from heart attacks… All to avoid individuals asking for different hours at work? Sorry, “changing” time twice a year is not a reasonable substitute for scheduling work appropriately depending on the season.

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watwut 5y ago
That is not true for wast majority of jobs where boss sets time ... and pretty often have reason for it. And schools won't adjust schedule just for you personally. Nor clubs nor churches and even friends when they do party they set time.
- reificator 5y ago
  They already change schedules though, we just launder it through the time “change” despite clear evidence of costs in both productivity and literal human life.
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    > They already change schedules though Yes, because the rest of society also changes their schedules, in sync. Most people don't have the ability to unilaterally change when they work irrespective of everyone else. If they did, switching between DST and standard time wouldn't matter either—just tell your boss you'll be coming into work an hour "later" in the summer.
- grogenaut 5y ago
  Clubs and churches will be based on when people can most likely make it. I think those things will sort themselves out. They already accomodate for things like weather, light, etc.
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grogenaut 5y ago
I'm betting for certain types of jobs schedules are not flexible, and for other types of jobs it doesn't matter. For my job, I skipped an important meeting this morning because they scheduled it at 8am and I didn't want to get up that early. Not sure anyone cared.
- reificator 5y ago
  Their schedules are clearly flexible because they’re already changing them twice a year under the current system.
  - ironmagma 5y ago
    No, they're not. They keep the time the same. If they kept the sunlight percentage the same instead, they'd be doing those meetings at a different time each month, as the sunrise and sunset change throughout the year.

betwixthewires 5y ago

So then what's the point of any of this? If you live your life based on what the clock says, why change what the clock says in relation to the position of the sun at all?

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
The last few weeks before the DST switch in the fall are hell for me every year. The sun doesn't rise in earnest until ~7:30, but my job starts at the same time, so I always wake up groggy and feeling terrible. It usually lasts the whole day. Now I'm going to have that for three months, while the sun rises even later! I'm not in favor of switching clocks, but I'd rather switch than have permanent DST. This change caught me out of nowhere and I'm already dreading it, I'm going to be miserable all winter!
- jedberg 5y ago
  Maybe this will finally be the push that gets companies to change their start and end times in winter.
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    Won't this have all the same problems of the current DST switch? During the week of the schedule change, employees will be less productive and more susceptible to health problems. The inherent problem is that we're switching the time by a full hour all at once. We could make the change more gradually, perhaps by a few minutes each week—but nobody wants to coordinate that!
    - jedberg 5y ago
      If they did it all at once. But it would be totally reasonable for the company to say shift it 15 or 30 minutes a week or make other concessions like having everyone switch on different days based on a shift schedule or whatever. They could also tie it to a vacation where people tend to shift schedules anyway. Like “new hours after the new year!”