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I think about Go with pleasure until I remember importing. The miseries I've experienced with modules - the way imports are satisfied......just so hard to under

by t43562 5y ago

I think about Go with pleasure until I remember importing. The miseries I've experienced with modules - the way imports are satisfied......just so hard to understand. Built-in support for SCM sites like github (yuck!). Just struggling to put code in a place where some other bit of my code can use it. The C/C++ preprocessor is an abortion and go seems to have made something that solves all the problems I had with that but ends up much worse to use.

ithkuil 5y ago
My main misery with modules was due to people renaming their GitHub repositories
- jayd16 5y ago
  Fork them (just make a copy you own) so you have control?
  - ithkuil 5y ago
    Usually my problems are with transitive dependencies. I would have to fork quite a few projects to deal with that. I wish there was a more systematic way to do "replace", possibly in libraries as well
    - thiht 5y ago
      There’s a « replace » directive in go.mod.
      - ithkuil 5y ago
        Yeah I know, but it's suboptimal. If you use it your module cannot be "go install" lled, and it doesn't work for libraries
        acchow 5y ago
        Replace in go.mod breaks `go install`?
        ithkuil 5y ago
        Oh yeah, this used to work but some go version ago it stopped working. See https://github.com/golang/go/issues/44840 https://github.com/golang/go/issues/44840
        jatone 5y ago
        glad other people see that as a problem as well. it irritates me to no end esp considering possible solutions are fairly straight forward but people can't get buyin from the golang team. for the record it stopped working in go 1.15. 1.14 was the last version it worked in.
jayd16 5y ago
Whats wrong with SCM support?
- turminal 5y ago
  It's not easy to get right and they failed which means it works on some sites but not others (they did make sure all the major hosts work though)
- t43562 5y ago
  Works with github, doesn't work (for no reason that you can understand at first glance) with the company bitbucket server. There's no programmatic or configuration mechanism I can use to fix it - it needs changes on the server which I cannot make. etc etc.
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jackielii 5y ago
Nothing is perfect. I focus on solving problems
thiht 5y ago
Really? That’s honestly not an issue I have. My day to day dependency management story is just using go get and go mod tidy. It just works fine, and I work with a fair share of services and dependencies. Can you share some issues you have?
- t43562 5y ago
  SCM support being baked in, I can't add support for our company git server since I'd need permissions to set it to return some kind of headers which I'm never going to get. Now my code has references to github all over it and no chance to replace that dependency without a massive code change - something that may not be even practical. The "replace" directive .... ha ha ha. Never got it to work for me - a total joke. Obviously it must work in some simple situation but apparently not mine. The misery of trying to fork a library or just the subcomponent of that library that I need to change and use. The strange special directories (internal, vendor, ....) WTF is a "package" really and how does that relate to where you put code? It just seems to be a complete disconnect with where you put things or how you import them and is very confusing. executables having to be alone in their own cmd directory. Essentially that I hit mysterious import related problems that require continual careful reading of the docs to work out what I'm falling foul of. Working out what is the real difference between GOPATH and GOROOT - you can read the docs many many times without understanding the straightjacket that the wise Go developers think should fit everyone and so you get problem after problem until you start to understand why "computer says no." Creating read-only files in your home account so that you cannot "blow away" (without some trouble) the caching that is hiding or causing your latest module importing problem. Sorry, the whole business is a great non-joy to have to deal with.

by t43562 5y ago

ithkuil 5y ago

My main misery with modules was due to people renaming their GitHub repositories

jayd16 5y ago
Fork them (just make a copy you own) so you have control?
- ithkuil 5y ago
  Usually my problems are with transitive dependencies. I would have to fork quite a few projects to deal with that. I wish there was a more systematic way to do "replace", possibly in libraries as well
  - thiht 5y ago
    There’s a « replace » directive in go.mod.
    - ithkuil 5y ago
      Yeah I know, but it's suboptimal. If you use it your module cannot be "go install" lled, and it doesn't work for libraries
      - acchow 5y ago
        Replace in go.mod breaks `go install`?
        ithkuil 5y ago
        Oh yeah, this used to work but some go version ago it stopped working. See https://github.com/golang/go/issues/44840 https://github.com/golang/go/issues/44840
        jatone 5y ago
        glad other people see that as a problem as well. it irritates me to no end esp considering possible solutions are fairly straight forward but people can't get buyin from the golang team. for the record it stopped working in go 1.15. 1.14 was the last version it worked in.

jayd16 5y ago

Whats wrong with SCM support?

turminal 5y ago
It's not easy to get right and they failed which means it works on some sites but not others (they did make sure all the major hosts work though)
t43562 5y ago
Works with github, doesn't work (for no reason that you can understand at first glance) with the company bitbucket server. There's no programmatic or configuration mechanism I can use to fix it - it needs changes on the server which I cannot make. etc etc.

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jackielii 5y ago

Nothing is perfect. I focus on solving problems

thiht 5y ago

Really? That’s honestly not an issue I have. My day to day dependency management story is just using go get and go mod tidy. It just works fine, and I work with a fair share of services and dependencies. Can you share some issues you have?

t43562 5y ago
SCM support being baked in, I can't add support for our company git server since I'd need permissions to set it to return some kind of headers which I'm never going to get. Now my code has references to github all over it and no chance to replace that dependency without a massive code change - something that may not be even practical. The "replace" directive .... ha ha ha. Never got it to work for me - a total joke. Obviously it must work in some simple situation but apparently not mine. The misery of trying to fork a library or just the subcomponent of that library that I need to change and use. The strange special directories (internal, vendor, ....) WTF is a "package" really and how does that relate to where you put code? It just seems to be a complete disconnect with where you put things or how you import them and is very confusing. executables having to be alone in their own cmd directory. Essentially that I hit mysterious import related problems that require continual careful reading of the docs to work out what I'm falling foul of. Working out what is the real difference between GOPATH and GOROOT - you can read the docs many many times without understanding the straightjacket that the wise Go developers think should fit everyone and so you get problem after problem until you start to understand why "computer says no." Creating read-only files in your home account so that you cannot "blow away" (without some trouble) the caching that is hiding or causing your latest module importing problem. Sorry, the whole business is a great non-joy to have to deal with.