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> Why don't they make the regular time permanent? There's a pro-DST lobby because more post-work daylight hours is correlated with higher consumer spending. Fo

> Why don't they make the regular time permanent? There's a pro-DST lobby because more post-work daylight hours is correlated with higher consumer spending. For that reason, permanent DST is more politically expedient in relation to permanent standard time. > And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I don't think it's possible to lobby employers to change their shift hours. It is, in fact, much easier to lobby the government to change the clocks. > I predict a lot of people will want to move school start to a later hour then. This is probably a good idea, though... good ideas don't really seem to have much bearing on the way we arrange school schedules.

_greim_ 5y ago
> There's a pro-DST lobby because more post-work daylight hours is correlated with higher consumer spending. For that reason, permanent DST is more politically expedient in relation to permanent standard time. You're probably overthinking this. Not every government action is a five-level Machiavellian scheme. Sometimes overwhelming public sentiment carries the day.
- KerrAvon 5y ago
  Rubio literally said they did this after talking with airline/hospitality lobbyists.
  - asdff 5y ago
    I believe he mentioned that when citing the delay until 2023 to give these industries time to update their systems
- throitallaway 5y ago
  To be fair, economic incentives seem to be what drives most decisions. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/01/1050492391/daylight-saving-time-history-what-you-need-to-know https://www.npr.org/2021/11/01/1050492391/daylight-saving-ti...
  - aiisjustanif 5y ago
    I wish we could change the phrase “economic incentive”. At the very essence of Economics it is the focus on actions human beings, fundamentally trade and labor. And it seeks the most optimal level of benefit or utility for humans. This is an incentive for companies, not necessarily humanity.
    - throitallaway 5y ago
      Corporations are people, my friend. At least in the US.
tempestn 5y ago
I think school hours are mostly set as early as they are to allow parents to get kids to school before going to work.
- jonahhorowitz 5y ago
  If this was rational, you'd be able to drop your kids off on the way to work and pick them up on the way home (ie: 8am to 6pm or something similar).
  - tempestn 5y ago
    Except that would be way too long for most kids. After school care does exist in many places to bridge the gap though.
asdff 5y ago
Standard time just sucks. If you work or do after school activities, you simply stop seeing the sun in the wintertime during the week. Its set by 5:30pm when things have wrapped up for you, and it rises just as you are getting into work or school. You spend the entire day indoors and don't see the sunlight until clocks change in the spring.
_ph_ 5y ago
I don't know whether there is such a lobby, but if there is, they fall victim to the same mistake as many other proponents of permanent DST: society is highly synchronized with the movement of the sun. Permanent DST means that timetables are going to be adjusted over time to compensate for it and no one is getting out of work earlier before sunset.
- qubitcoder 5y ago
  I think you might have this backwards.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  lol what? This gives you an extra hour to enjoy sunlight in the afternoon. Do you think employers are going to move from 8-5 to 10-7 just so you won't be able to enjoy a bit of sunlight?
  - captainmuon 5y ago
    This is what happens in places with extreme differences between clock time and solar time, for example west China. Schools, work shifts, shop opening hours move over time to fit im the light window.
    - yosito 5y ago
      And this is why I wake up at 4:30am during the summer in Hungary.
  - _ph_ 5y ago
    No, they wouldn't shift the work times to prevent you from enjoying a bit of sunlight. They would shift the work times if people have problems getting awake for work in the morning or are late as they have to bring their children to school, which is probably going to be later than before.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
There are also a lot of people that just prefer as much sunlight after work (and school!) as possible.

_greim_ 5y ago

> There's a pro-DST lobby because more post-work daylight hours is correlated with higher consumer spending. For that reason, permanent DST is more politically expedient in relation to permanent standard time. You're probably overthinking this. Not every government action is a five-level Machiavellian scheme. Sometimes overwhelming public sentiment carries the day.

KerrAvon 5y ago
Rubio literally said they did this after talking with airline/hospitality lobbyists.
- asdff 5y ago
  I believe he mentioned that when citing the delay until 2023 to give these industries time to update their systems
throitallaway 5y ago
To be fair, economic incentives seem to be what drives most decisions. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/01/1050492391/daylight-saving-time-history-what-you-need-to-know https://www.npr.org/2021/11/01/1050492391/daylight-saving-ti...
- aiisjustanif 5y ago
  I wish we could change the phrase “economic incentive”. At the very essence of Economics it is the focus on actions human beings, fundamentally trade and labor. And it seeks the most optimal level of benefit or utility for humans. This is an incentive for companies, not necessarily humanity.
  - throitallaway 5y ago
    Corporations are people, my friend. At least in the US.

tempestn 5y ago

I think school hours are mostly set as early as they are to allow parents to get kids to school before going to work.

jonahhorowitz 5y ago
If this was rational, you'd be able to drop your kids off on the way to work and pick them up on the way home (ie: 8am to 6pm or something similar).
- tempestn 5y ago
  Except that would be way too long for most kids. After school care does exist in many places to bridge the gap though.

asdff 5y ago

Standard time just sucks. If you work or do after school activities, you simply stop seeing the sun in the wintertime during the week. Its set by 5:30pm when things have wrapped up for you, and it rises just as you are getting into work or school. You spend the entire day indoors and don't see the sunlight until clocks change in the spring.

_ph_ 5y ago

I don't know whether there is such a lobby, but if there is, they fall victim to the same mistake as many other proponents of permanent DST: society is highly synchronized with the movement of the sun. Permanent DST means that timetables are going to be adjusted over time to compensate for it and no one is getting out of work earlier before sunset.

qubitcoder 5y ago
I think you might have this backwards.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
lol what? This gives you an extra hour to enjoy sunlight in the afternoon. Do you think employers are going to move from 8-5 to 10-7 just so you won't be able to enjoy a bit of sunlight?
- captainmuon 5y ago
  This is what happens in places with extreme differences between clock time and solar time, for example west China. Schools, work shifts, shop opening hours move over time to fit im the light window.
  - yosito 5y ago
    And this is why I wake up at 4:30am during the summer in Hungary.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  No, they wouldn't shift the work times to prevent you from enjoying a bit of sunlight. They would shift the work times if people have problems getting awake for work in the morning or are late as they have to bring their children to school, which is probably going to be later than before.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

There are also a lot of people that just prefer as much sunlight after work (and school!) as possible.