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Because it make zero sense for everyone to have to get up an hour earlier. And it makes no sense for kids to stand around in the dark at freezing cold bus stops
by D13Fd 5y ago
Because it make zero sense for everyone to have to get up an hour earlier. And it makes no sense for kids to stand around in the dark at freezing cold bus stops every morning.
- LastMuel 5y agoBut, we do that anyway. Mid winter, even in the south part of the U.S. I was standing in the dark and cold waiting for a bus to arrive.
- sophacles 5y agoStop letting facts get in the way of a good "i dislike change" argument.
- gifnamething 5y agoThis isn't a constructive way of arguing, it's an irrefutable strawman
- D13Fd 5y agoThere is a big difference between doing it for a few weeks and doing it for most or all of the school year (depending on location and schedule).
- dham 5y agoSame here when I was in middle school. I never understood the standing for bus in the dark argument. I thought that was just normal.
- belltaco 5y agoChange school start timings in winter, then?
- D13Fd 5y agoWe'd have to change work timing too, then, to facilitate dropoffs and parents who want to watch their kids at the bus stops. And at that point, we are back where we started. Better to just not mess with the time, and stick with standard time.
- rattray 5y agoIt's probably easier to change work timings now than it ever would have been before. Which is great.
- jalk 5y agoChanging the start time for some activities twice a year seems likely to cause even more confusion that changing the clock
- Jtype 5y agoIf you change what time people go to work from 8 am to 9 am then you will also be changing when they get home from 5pm to 6pm. Then you have lost that extra daylight in the evening, which was the entire point of the time change!
- stickfigure 5y agoWhat percentage of the population must start work at exactly 8am?
- s1artibartfast 5y agoA pretty big chunk. I couldn't find the latest Census data, but in 2000 ~20% of people left for work before 630 and 72% left for work before 830 am. https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/2000/briefs/c2kbr-33.pdf https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/2000/...
- tshaddox 5y ago> And at that point, we are back where we started. Except only for people at latitudes where it's worth doing. Those people are precisely where they started, and everyone else has a much simpler year-round standard time.
- Broken_Hippo 5y ago"And it makes no sense for kids to stand around in the dark at freezing cold bus stops every morning." I mean, coats exist. We could make sure everyone has winter wear appropriate for the weather, and then it just won't be an issue. Kids here are out in it and are from a young age here (Norway).
- D13Fd 5y agoEasy to say from a low-crime, high-safety country like Norway.
- johannes1234321 5y agoThese damn socialists ...
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- rattray 5y agoAlso a country where a high percentage of families can afford clothing of adequate quality.
- throwaway0a5e 5y agoWinter coats aren't so expensive that the people of Detroit are seriously lacking for them. Sure they can't all stand at the bus stop wearing some status symbol of a jacket but they do just fine.
- kube-system 5y agoWhen I was in school, there were absolutely kids who lacked basic necessities, including quality clothing. Clothing was also more expensive back then... but universal schooling means that we're also catering to the poorest of the poor.
- 0xbadcafebee 5y ago
- Tempest1981 5y agoThere is also a movement to start school later: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_school_later_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_school_later_movement For example, in California, starting this Fall, high school can't start before 8:30 AM.
- iso1210 5y agoI get the feeling that it's fairly common in US schools to have kids in before 8am, possibly even before 7am! Is this because of the widespread school transport and the need to stagger the bus usage? In the UK it's quite rare to have school transport, with most kids at high school taking public transport, and at primary school either walking or being driven I got the feeling from German textbooks at school that early starts were common in Europe too.
- nickff 5y agoEarly school hours are often a result of teachers' desires to get out of work early. Many teachers' unions include school hours in their bargaining/contracts.
- mschuster91 5y agoYeah, and that is because being a teacher is not just an incredibly mentally taxing job (made worse by the fact that class sizes are way too large) but also involves an awful lot of invisible after-school work: preparing and correcting exams, preparing class material, dealing with IEPs, following up with parents (particularly in financially or otherwise challenged families), organizing after-school and extra-curricular activities, dealing with other bureaucratic bullshit because the administration is understaffed...
- kube-system 5y agoYes, it is commonplace for bussing to be staggered -- they often pick up a route for one school (maybe a high school), then run another route for another school (maybe an elementary school).
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- deagle50 5y agoKids shouldn't be forced to start that early anyway. It's borderline child abuse imo. Maybe permanent DST will lead to school schedules that benefit children not adults.
- sigspec 5y agoYES! I work from 9-5. My kid is at school from 7:15 to 2:30. We're lucky my wife teaches so we don't have to worry about after school care.
- ilovesunlight 5y agoIt's actually the exact opposite. Permanent DST means that kids will be starting 1 hour earlier relative to sunrise, which is terrible for educational outcomes.