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I mentioned something similar in a comment last year, but I think there's going to be a lot of moaning about late sunrises in US in December. Roughly 8:15-8:20

by jp57 5y ago

I mentioned something similar in a comment last year, but I think there's going to be a lot of moaning about late sunrises in US in December. Roughly 8:15-8:20 am around the solstice in New York, DC, Chicago, and even Austin. Not til nearly 9am in Seattle. The sun won't rise before 8am in NYC for basically all of December and January. I'd even be willing to guess that the amount of moaning might be equal to what we get now around the clock change.

scotuswroteus 5y ago
Enough from these self centered early risers. They go to bed at 7 PM. They live in homes full of "live, laugh, love" decorations. They tuck in their shirts. Enough.
- o4b 5y ago
  Beautifully put, scotuswroteus. "The tyranny of the minority is infinitely more odious and intolerable and more to be feared than that of the majority" - William McKinley
  - scotuswroteus 5y ago
    This McKinley guy is all about that "live laugh love" lifestyle https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6eplzzizuqqDx95Hp00aNO4fp0hD_1cf73w&usqp=CAU https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6eplz...
- jp57 5y ago
  I know, right? But I think it will be those night owls who must wake up early who will suffer most. Left to my own devices I would wake at 9 and go to bed around 2, but because of work and family scheduled I get up early Mon-Fri. Another hour before seeing the sun in the winter doesn't thrill me. Somehow I think it will bother me more than the early sunsets, but we'll see.
- Miner49er 5y ago
  I'm not a morning person, because the sun isn't up. This will make it even worse. This is bad for night owls.
somenewaccount1 5y ago
This is why the suicide rates will continue to climb. They voted to keep the clock still, but used the wrong time. I just wish the movie Idiocracy would stop turning into a f*&cking documentary. Is that so much to ask?!?!?!
- bryananderson 5y ago
  I don’t agree at all, and I think many people don’t agree. What has always depressed me the most in the winter is the lack of sunlight in the evening, after work/school. In the morning I don’t really get to enjoy the sunlight anyway. What I really hate is getting off work and finding it already dark. There is no “right” time, and this fight for pedantic correctness is already lost. That ship sailed when we started using time zones instead of true local time. Many localities are far from their true noon already. We should make policy on the basis of what is actually good for people.
  - aaomidi 5y ago
    The other thing is, since there is no right time we should fight for 1. Shorter working hours. 2. More flexible working hours.
  - gnulinux 5y ago
    This is exactly right for me too (American here). I much prefer having daylight after work instead when I wake up. I don't care how outside looks like when I'm taking a shower and waking up. I really like this change.
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    I do wonder if some communities on the border of a time zone will end up shifting from one side or the other due to this, especially if they're in an area where it makes more of a difference in the winter than the summer.
- ghaff 5y ago
  You do realize that Detroit and Boston are already effectively in different timezones as far as the sun is concerned?
slaymaker1907 5y ago
There really isn't a way to make things nice in Seattle as far as time zone manipulation goes. Overall, I think permanent DST is the best option since it means avoiding biannual clock changes while avoiding it being light at 4am during the summer (as would be the case for permanent standard time). However, my opinion on this bill is that states should be able to decide what is best for them. Currently, they can only use DST switching clocks biannually or go to permanent standard time. They should also have the option to go to permanent DST. Honestly, they should just give states full control over their timezone. Let them go to UTC if they really want to. The only stipulation I would make is that having more than one timezone per state should require approval from the federal government (to avoid making things too complicated) and to put limits on how often it can be changed.
jrumbut 5y ago
This is the first time I've heard someone express the idea that there is a silent majority of people who would prefer earlier sunrises to later sunsets, very interesting! Intuitively I disagree but I have no evidence and I'm sure at least one person will dislike the change. For me though, the real pain wasn't any particular time zone, it was the abrupt change from getting out of work with some daylight left to walking out in darkness. Gradual changes are almost always easier to deal with.

by jp57 5y ago

scotuswroteus 5y ago

Enough from these self centered early risers. They go to bed at 7 PM. They live in homes full of "live, laugh, love" decorations. They tuck in their shirts. Enough.

o4b 5y ago
Beautifully put, scotuswroteus. "The tyranny of the minority is infinitely more odious and intolerable and more to be feared than that of the majority" - William McKinley
- scotuswroteus 5y ago
  This McKinley guy is all about that "live laugh love" lifestyle https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6eplzzizuqqDx95Hp00aNO4fp0hD_1cf73w&usqp=CAU https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6eplz...
jp57 5y ago
I know, right? But I think it will be those night owls who must wake up early who will suffer most. Left to my own devices I would wake at 9 and go to bed around 2, but because of work and family scheduled I get up early Mon-Fri. Another hour before seeing the sun in the winter doesn't thrill me. Somehow I think it will bother me more than the early sunsets, but we'll see.
Miner49er 5y ago
I'm not a morning person, because the sun isn't up. This will make it even worse. This is bad for night owls.

somenewaccount1 5y ago

This is why the suicide rates will continue to climb. They voted to keep the clock still, but used the wrong time. I just wish the movie Idiocracy would stop turning into a f*&cking documentary. Is that so much to ask?!?!?!

bryananderson 5y ago
I don’t agree at all, and I think many people don’t agree. What has always depressed me the most in the winter is the lack of sunlight in the evening, after work/school. In the morning I don’t really get to enjoy the sunlight anyway. What I really hate is getting off work and finding it already dark. There is no “right” time, and this fight for pedantic correctness is already lost. That ship sailed when we started using time zones instead of true local time. Many localities are far from their true noon already. We should make policy on the basis of what is actually good for people.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  The other thing is, since there is no right time we should fight for 1. Shorter working hours. 2. More flexible working hours.
- gnulinux 5y ago
  This is exactly right for me too (American here). I much prefer having daylight after work instead when I wake up. I don't care how outside looks like when I'm taking a shower and waking up. I really like this change.
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  I do wonder if some communities on the border of a time zone will end up shifting from one side or the other due to this, especially if they're in an area where it makes more of a difference in the winter than the summer.
ghaff 5y ago
You do realize that Detroit and Boston are already effectively in different timezones as far as the sun is concerned?

slaymaker1907 5y ago

There really isn't a way to make things nice in Seattle as far as time zone manipulation goes. Overall, I think permanent DST is the best option since it means avoiding biannual clock changes while avoiding it being light at 4am during the summer (as would be the case for permanent standard time). However, my opinion on this bill is that states should be able to decide what is best for them. Currently, they can only use DST switching clocks biannually or go to permanent standard time. They should also have the option to go to permanent DST. Honestly, they should just give states full control over their timezone. Let them go to UTC if they really want to. The only stipulation I would make is that having more than one timezone per state should require approval from the federal government (to avoid making things too complicated) and to put limits on how often it can be changed.

jrumbut 5y ago

This is the first time I've heard someone express the idea that there is a silent majority of people who would prefer earlier sunrises to later sunsets, very interesting! Intuitively I disagree but I have no evidence and I'm sure at least one person will dislike the change. For me though, the real pain wasn't any particular time zone, it was the abrupt change from getting out of work with some daylight left to walking out in darkness. Gradual changes are almost always easier to deal with.