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Personally, I have wanted more daylight in the evening hundreds of times in my life, at least. It's the obvious result of average workdays ending at 5 or 6 (or
by standardUser 5y ago
Personally, I have wanted more daylight in the evening hundreds of times in my life, at least. It's the obvious result of average workdays ending at 5 or 6 (or later) and our "free time" being restricted to a sliver of daylight much of the year. But how often have I wanted more daylight in the morning? Basically never.
- untake 5y agoTrue.
- collegeburner 5y agoUmm no, I get up early and have free time before work and want light then. It's a great time to be outside because it's the coolest part of the day. Yet again society accomodates the people who can't be bothered to go to bed on time.
- sorenjan 5y agoOr the people that prefer to have a contiguous time span for their leisure, instead of a couple of hours in the morning and then a few more in the evening.
- b112 5y agoYet who has thought of the corn, the oat, the wheat in all of this? Who has thought of the oak and maple, the petal of the rose, the daisy? None, I suppose, and so with less light available to them, the american farmer will once again lose ground to competitors in other, more sane nations.
- mynameisvlad 5y agoCorn, oat, wheat, oak, maple, rose, and daisies do not sleep, nor do they have the concept of daylight savings or standard time. They will get literally the same amount of light as before, and farmers generally will work from sunrise regardless if their clocks say 5AM or 6AM.
- jnwatson 5y agoWhoosh.
- _fkx3 5y agoIs this a poorly executed joke?
- bkirkbri 5y agoI thought it was a well executed joke myself.
- vgel 5y agoThanks to the Ent lobby, an amendment has been proposed to this bill to keep changing the clocks specifically within the bounds of farms, orchards, timberlands, and national parks. We must keep American foliage the greatest on Earth.
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- standardUser 5y agoPlease explain to us, what precisely is "on time" and why do you think that such a time is universal for all people, regardless of background or circumstance? The more detail the better please.
- collegeburner 5y ago"On time" is obviously whatever time somebody has to go to bed to get enough sleep and get up in time for their schedule. People don't like going to bed on time because they don't like discipline. So instead of learning some, like their parents should have taught them, they complain and demand the schedule move because it's "too hard". When I started working I had to be there at 7 AM every day no matter what so I got disciplined and grew up. Today's new hires want to come in late all the time and complain that they can't get enough sleep when they should be going to bed earlier instead of going out drinking on a weekday or staying up playing fort nite or whatever.
- vineyardmike 5y agoSpend less time complaining about those whippersnappers being on your lawn and listening to rock and roll. Maybe you too could be fun and enjoy life. Is it enjoyable for most people to get up and be at work at 7? No. Why tolerate it just because parents generation tolerated it? Old people also tolerated polio. People aren’t more productive at one time versus another, especially if they’re being forced against their will to lose sleep for no good reason. There is nothing wrong with starting work later- especially if you’re still getting all your work done during the day anyways. Young people who roll into work at a healthy time probably outperform all the curmudgeony old people who are miserable anyways. I start work at 10am and get more done than coworkers who start at 7. It’s just simply false to assume earlier is better. I perform way better now than when I arrived early. We should be encouraging people to care less about their work and more about having fun. Work is not the purpose for your life. There is nothing wrong with drinking with friends on a weekday or playing Fortnite in the evening.
- collegeburner 5y ago
- yowlingcat 5y agoVery interesting way of expressing your preference. Personally, I'm agnostic. I prefer to be an early riser most days and it does suit me better on the whole. But it's also great in the summer to have more time in the evening to socialize with my friends who work a 9-5 and are only available on weekdays after work. Do you have any friends that you would like to socialize with in the summer on weekdays after work?
- collegeburner 5y agoYes sometimes we'll meet for dinner. But more often we meet for breakfast before work. This is actually very common in most of the country outside of the tech job bubble that makes up most of this site.
- Apocryphon 5y agoThen meet them for dinner instead of breakfast, when you're more rushed because there is work after your meal anyway. Or simply meet them for lunch instead, as most people in the country do.
- yowlingcat 5y agoAnd what if it’s less common than you say and you’d just have to accept that you’re in the minority here? Do you think that (right or wrong) could have anything to do with what’s going on?
- vineyardmike 5y agoOh look another person who goes to bed too early and rises before the sun. Yet again they want society to cater to them even though the rest of society prefers to rise later in the day. I bet they’ll tell everyone else they’re lazy like my 95yo grandfather did when he woke up at 4am. /s Can’t we all just accept that everyone’s body is different and has different preferences. There is a measured Gaussian distribution in rise times for humans like everything else.
- collegeburner 5y agoThat's unreasonably snarky. I didn't much like waking up at 4 AM when I had to. The point is, it's better to rise with the sun and still have time to get ready before work. Americans get up before 7 AM: https://www.vox.com/2016/5/10/11639214/how-people-around-the-world-sleep https://www.vox.com/2016/5/10/11639214/how-people-around-the... We should line up sunrise closer to the center of that distribution. This law does the opposite.
- lazide 5y agoDon’t worry, employers will move things back to be inconvenient again soon.
- hinkley 5y agoNow that I work closely with a team in India, my morning meeting doesn't care about DST. But at least now it's only slightly early instead of when/before I would normally get up.
- lazide 5y agoYeah, that always messed me up too. So silver linings I guess?
- hinkley 5y agoLiterally #1 on my list of reasons to get a new job by November is I'm not going to that meeting ever again. There's the objective set of reasons to do something, and then there's the list your emotional brain actually pays attention to, and this is #1 on that list. Most of our weird behaviors and a lot of our difficult conversations are caused by trying to stuff an emotional decision into a business suit.
- Uehreka 5y agoI don’t think they will. There’s no incentive for them to do so, and there’s absolutely monolithic inertia behind “nine-to-five” in most places on Earth.
- mark-r 5y agoThat's regional though. Where I live, work generally starts at 8.
- lazide 5y agoAh, there are plenty of employers and industries that don’t have that luxury though. Also, even my 9-5 was not so 9-5 a decent chunk of the time when I was working big corp due to having to work with folks in other countries. It does remove one variable though.
- humanlion87 5y agoPersonally, I have wanted the exact opposite. I need more light in the morning so that I can go for a run and enjoy the cool, fresh air.
- hinkley 5y agoAs a late riser, I have never had a good time getting up before the sun. If you woke me before sunup and asked how much I would pay you to let me sleep until dawn, I would probably try to sell you sell my own mother for the privilege, if it were permanent.
- pkulak 5y agoHow often do you "want" more fiber? It's about being healthy. Waking up in the dark for 3 straight months isn't as healthy as the alternative.
- JeremyNT 5y agoIt's easy enough to replicate the "wake up in the light" experience in your bedroom with a sunrise alarm clock. It's not as easy to replicate the sunshine when you want to do an outdoor activity after work...
- pkulak 5y ago> It's easy enough to replicate the "wake up in the light" experience in your bedroom No, it absolutely is not. Light you get from some Walmart alarm clock is the wrong temperature, the wrong CRI, and about 1/1000th of the right intensity. You can replicate it for the low-to-mid 5 digits: https://www.coelux.com/ https://www.coelux.com/
- verall 5y agoThat's because people don't actually want a portable sun (say, 10-20k lum D65) in their room. If you do want one, you can buy one for less than $100, and plug it into a $10 timer. You're buying into their marketing pretty hard...
- standardUser 5y agoPeople are obviously adaptable to many different daylight schemes. But far more of society is up and running in the mid-evenings than the early mornings on any given day. Let's put the daylight where it can be the most use to the most people.
- pkulak 5y agoWhy is "daylight when people are awake" what we need to strive for? Daylight when you wake up is helpful. Darkness when you wake up is harmful. Daylight before you go to bed is harmful. Darkness before you go to bed is helpful. It's way more important when the light is.