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Incoming mass patching of any and all Date/Time libraries

gwbas1c 5y ago
Oh, we've changed them so many times at this point. In the 2000s we changed the dates that we move the clocks back and forth. This is probably just a configuration update.
- aadvark69 5y ago
  >probably just a configuration update. famous last words
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- lokar 5y ago
  The zoneinfo files describe the rules, past, present and future
foepys 5y ago
Which production-ready datetime library doesn't use zoneinfo? There should be no need to patch otherwise there would be quite a lot of patching happening each year. The current version is 2021e, meaning it's the 5th iteration for 2021. Notably Fiji decided to not use DST in 2021/2022 but apparently plans to resume using it afterwards.
- spiffytech 5y ago
  Any software using an IANA zone (e.g., America/New_York) shouldn't have any trouble. But any software that uses zone labels like EST might do the wrong thing, since EDT is being renamed to EST but will still have EDT's offset.
itslennysfault 5y ago
Honestly.... California already approved a measure to do this (there are a bunch more steps to make it actually happen). So, this is WAY better than if WA/OR were an hour apart from CA for half the year. Also, Seattle/Portland (etc) would suddenly not be America/Los_Angeles timezone anymore.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  WA and OR already did permanent daylight savings time, same as CA. All 3 states were just waiting for the federal government to allow them to change.
  - itslennysfault 5y ago
    This is incorrect. Not sure where you get your news.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      I was wrong about California, looks like the voters approved allowing the legislature to vote on going to daylight savings time permanently, but the CA legislature has not done so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_California_Proposition_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_California_Proposition_7 WA has enacted it, pending federal government approval: https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=1.20.052 https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=1.20.052 Looks like Oregon’s is contingent on California enacting it, but it is a passed law: https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB320/A-Engrossed https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2019R1/Downloads/Meas... https://www.opb.org/article/2021/11/06/oregon-wants-to-stop-changing-the-clock-to-and-from-daylight-saving-time-but-its-still-happening-and-heres-why/ https://www.opb.org/article/2021/11/06/oregon-wants-to-stop-...
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
True but hopefully this would be "the last time" in the US for this sort of thing.

Oh, we've changed them so many times at this point. In the 2000s we changed the dates that we move the clocks back and forth. This is probably just a configuration update.

aadvark69 5y ago
>probably just a configuration update. famous last words
- deleted 5y ago
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lokar 5y ago
The zoneinfo files describe the rules, past, present and future

foepys 5y ago

Which production-ready datetime library doesn't use zoneinfo? There should be no need to patch otherwise there would be quite a lot of patching happening each year. The current version is 2021e, meaning it's the 5th iteration for 2021. Notably Fiji decided to not use DST in 2021/2022 but apparently plans to resume using it afterwards.

spiffytech 5y ago
Any software using an IANA zone (e.g., America/New_York) shouldn't have any trouble. But any software that uses zone labels like EST might do the wrong thing, since EDT is being renamed to EST but will still have EDT's offset.

itslennysfault 5y ago

Honestly.... California already approved a measure to do this (there are a bunch more steps to make it actually happen). So, this is WAY better than if WA/OR were an hour apart from CA for half the year. Also, Seattle/Portland (etc) would suddenly not be America/Los_Angeles timezone anymore.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
WA and OR already did permanent daylight savings time, same as CA. All 3 states were just waiting for the federal government to allow them to change.
- itslennysfault 5y ago
  This is incorrect. Not sure where you get your news.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I was wrong about California, looks like the voters approved allowing the legislature to vote on going to daylight savings time permanently, but the CA legislature has not done so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_California_Proposition_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_California_Proposition_7 WA has enacted it, pending federal government approval: https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=1.20.052 https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=1.20.052 Looks like Oregon’s is contingent on California enacting it, but it is a passed law: https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB320/A-Engrossed https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2019R1/Downloads/Meas... https://www.opb.org/article/2021/11/06/oregon-wants-to-stop-changing-the-clock-to-and-from-daylight-saving-time-but-its-still-happening-and-heres-why/ https://www.opb.org/article/2021/11/06/oregon-wants-to-stop-...

Mountain_Skies 5y ago

True but hopefully this would be "the last time" in the US for this sort of thing.