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This is excellent. With the rise of air conditioning, daylight savings has considerably less electricity savings than it used to. It will also make timekeeping

This is excellent. With the rise of air conditioning, daylight savings has considerably less electricity savings than it used to. It will also make timekeeping more consistent. I have lived in Arizona for the past few years and it is pleasant to know that you will always be at UTC-7:00.

mtoner23 5y ago
True, but this keeps daylight savings permanent not standard time.
- shadowofneptune 5y ago
  It will change how the morning feels in winter, but I'm OK with settling on savings time. The bill allows states like Arizona or Hawaii to stay on savings time if they'd prefer it.
- dijit 5y ago
  I don't care what we choose, personally, as long as we choose. This madness has to end. I'm not going to bicker about which one is kept.
- ciphol 5y ago
  If your state doesn't like that, they can switch time zones.
- FL410 5y ago
  It actually sets "standard time" to what is currently daylight saving time, and deletes DST.
  - elwell 5y ago
    RIP code parsing human-readable datetime strings to determine timezone
  - throw0101a 5y ago
    > It actually sets "standard time" to what is currently daylight saving time, and deletes DST. As the current maintainer of the timezone database observed: A *lot* of computer software assumes that timezone abbreviations like "PST" have their longstanding meanings. This software was obviously misguided, but it's out there and changing it will be quite a hassle. I don't envy people who will have the responsibility for cleaning up the resulting mess where "PST" has one meaning for older timestamps and a different meaning for newer ones and existing standards like Internet RFC 5322 continue to say things like "PST is semantically equivalent to -0800". * https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2022-March/031239.html https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2022-March/031239.html
    - IncRnd 5y ago
      Similarly, people thought the world would burn in flames due to Y2K, when dates were going to overflow their bits, kill everyone, and lose banking information. As things happened, the date passed with nary a blip for me or anyone I knew. I suspect this will be similar.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - HideousKojima 5y ago
        Y2K required hundreds of billions of dollars worth of effort to keep it from being a disaster, and it still actually resulted in some significant issues: "In Sheffield, United Kingdom, a Y2K bug caused miscalculation of the mothers' age and sent incorrect risk assessments for Down syndrome to 154 pregnant women. As a direct result two abortions were carried out, and four babies with Down syndrome were also born to mothers who had been told they were in the low-risk group." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem
        throw0101a 5y ago
        Nobody notices when things go right. :)
  - kevinpet 5y ago
    Wow. Lawmakers continue to amaze me with their stupidity.
flanbiscuit 5y ago
Arizona only goes by Mountain Standard time (UTC -7:00). If Daylight savings time becomes permanent will Arizona always be an hour off from the rest of Mountain time zone?
- caleb-allen 5y ago
  Yes, but at least it is consistent. I live right by the border, on the Utah side, and driving through Arizona and Nevada is always so confusing!
  - ZetaZero 5y ago
    We were on vacation, driving on 89 from Page to Kanab, which crosses AZ/UT state line. Several times our phones switched to different TZs. It was annoying
  - rurp 5y ago
    I spent a week camping near the California/Arizona border and my phone was absolutely flummoxed by the time zones. It was constantly jumping back and forth an hour. The weirdest part is that I wasn't even _that_ close to the border, it was 30-40 miles away. I know there is some room for error with phone location tracking but I've never had a maps app consistenly confuse my location with a spot 40 miles away.
    - robotnikman 5y ago
      I have Family that lives in Lake Havasu right by the border. When driving there my phone will often get confused and switch between the 2 time zones.
    - bombcar 5y ago
      I wonder if it has to do with which towers it is connecting to rather than where it thinks you are. I know time sync is important so perhaps your phone just shows you the timezone of the nearest tower and that almost always works well enough?
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mtoner23 5y ago

True, but this keeps daylight savings permanent not standard time.

shadowofneptune 5y ago
It will change how the morning feels in winter, but I'm OK with settling on savings time. The bill allows states like Arizona or Hawaii to stay on savings time if they'd prefer it.
dijit 5y ago
I don't care what we choose, personally, as long as we choose. This madness has to end. I'm not going to bicker about which one is kept.
ciphol 5y ago
If your state doesn't like that, they can switch time zones.
FL410 5y ago
It actually sets "standard time" to what is currently daylight saving time, and deletes DST.
- elwell 5y ago
  RIP code parsing human-readable datetime strings to determine timezone
- throw0101a 5y ago
  > It actually sets "standard time" to what is currently daylight saving time, and deletes DST. As the current maintainer of the timezone database observed: A *lot* of computer software assumes that timezone abbreviations like "PST" have their longstanding meanings. This software was obviously misguided, but it's out there and changing it will be quite a hassle. I don't envy people who will have the responsibility for cleaning up the resulting mess where "PST" has one meaning for older timestamps and a different meaning for newer ones and existing standards like Internet RFC 5322 continue to say things like "PST is semantically equivalent to -0800". * https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2022-March/031239.html https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2022-March/031239.html
  - IncRnd 5y ago
    Similarly, people thought the world would burn in flames due to Y2K, when dates were going to overflow their bits, kill everyone, and lose banking information. As things happened, the date passed with nary a blip for me or anyone I knew. I suspect this will be similar.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - HideousKojima 5y ago
      Y2K required hundreds of billions of dollars worth of effort to keep it from being a disaster, and it still actually resulted in some significant issues: "In Sheffield, United Kingdom, a Y2K bug caused miscalculation of the mothers' age and sent incorrect risk assessments for Down syndrome to 154 pregnant women. As a direct result two abortions were carried out, and four babies with Down syndrome were also born to mothers who had been told they were in the low-risk group." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem
      - throw0101a 5y ago
        Nobody notices when things go right. :)
- kevinpet 5y ago
  Wow. Lawmakers continue to amaze me with their stupidity.

flanbiscuit 5y ago

Arizona only goes by Mountain Standard time (UTC -7:00). If Daylight savings time becomes permanent will Arizona always be an hour off from the rest of Mountain time zone?

caleb-allen 5y ago
Yes, but at least it is consistent. I live right by the border, on the Utah side, and driving through Arizona and Nevada is always so confusing!
- ZetaZero 5y ago
  We were on vacation, driving on 89 from Page to Kanab, which crosses AZ/UT state line. Several times our phones switched to different TZs. It was annoying
- rurp 5y ago
  I spent a week camping near the California/Arizona border and my phone was absolutely flummoxed by the time zones. It was constantly jumping back and forth an hour. The weirdest part is that I wasn't even _that_ close to the border, it was 30-40 miles away. I know there is some room for error with phone location tracking but I've never had a maps app consistenly confuse my location with a spot 40 miles away.
  - robotnikman 5y ago
    I have Family that lives in Lake Havasu right by the border. When driving there my phone will often get confused and switch between the 2 time zones.
  - bombcar 5y ago
    I wonder if it has to do with which towers it is connecting to rather than where it thinks you are. I know time sync is important so perhaps your phone just shows you the timezone of the nearest tower and that almost always works well enough?
- deleted 5y ago