> No, they're done with "free" waste. Apple chips idle at far lower and due to efficiency cores, handle moderate workloads with low TDP. Alder Lake also has ef

> No, they're done with "free" waste. Apple chips idle at far lower and due to efficiency cores, handle moderate workloads with low TDP. Alder Lake also has efficiency cores. And everyone has aggressive power gating & ultra low idle states, that's not something Apple came up with or innovated. Apple's inability to turbo isn't some magic advantage. It's just a limitation, and there's no reason to believe they are happy with that limitation nor that others who don't have that limitation would for some reason copy that. Or more accurately, why would AMD & Intel regress back to where they were 5-10 years ago? > you can easily eclipse 450W for many enthusiast consumer (gaming) builds. Most gaming builds are 300-500W. If we're talking gaming builds then M1 Ultra is pretty much completely irrelevant as the gaming performance of the M1 Pro & Max were terrible (likely more a software problem than a hardware one, but still). The Max couldn't even keep up with a 3060 mobile. So a 300-500W desktop gaming build will be running laps around an M1 Ultra in games.