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> Russia has said for more than a decade it would invade Ukraine if NATO moved in. NATO hasn't moved into Ukraine and Russia has attacked it nevertheless. > I
by detaro 5y ago
> Russia has said for more than a decade it would invade Ukraine if NATO moved in.
NATO hasn't moved into Ukraine and Russia has attacked it nevertheless.
> It offered to call off the invasion in January if NATO stopped arming Ukraine.
"We won't invade if you weaken your defenses" is ... not a very convincing "offer" from a country that has already invaded you in the recent past.
> And throughout the war, Russia has offered to leave if Ukraine said it will keep NATO out.
That's not the only Russian demand, no. And crucially, the demands mean Russia can just repeat the same thing again whenever it feels like trying again, against a Ukraine they forced to be less able to defend itself (because as you've established above, arming itself is violating neutrality if it obtains weapons from the west). Oops, again didn't elect a puppet in the next election and won't just turn into Belarus 2.0? How unfortunate, needs denazification again, sorry. But sure, you're "just pointing out that Ukraine can make Russia go home tomorrow.", and all will be fine. You're pretending a massive gamble is an obvious decision.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoNow we are starting to talk about concrete facts. >NATO hasn't moved into Ukraine and Russia has attacked it nevertheless. NATO/ Primarily the US has moved $billions of weapons and thousands of troops into Ukraine year after year and conducted joint war exercises for war with Russia. >"We won't invade if you weaken your defenses" is ... not a very convincing "offer" from a country that has already invaded you in the recent past I totally agree that is a tough pill to swallow, but perhaps not insurmountable. I don't have the solutions, but perhaps with a demilitarization of the boarder or third party assurances.