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I do wish the world would be more sympathetic to Ukraine and Tibet than it is currently (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
by infocollector 5y ago
I do wish the world would be more sympathetic to Ukraine and Tibet than it is currently (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet).
- zozbot234 5y agoIt's a big mess. The major rivers of India and China all originate in Tibet, so having that whole area be under the control of either one of these two actors is a recipe for ongoing stability concerns in the region.
- Santosh83 5y agoTibet has never been under the control of India as far as I know. It was an ethnically independent region in the past and now comes under the govt of China. So major Himalayan rivers originating in Tibet is a big gain for China and a strategic problem for India, considering China has already built several huge upstream damns across these rivers which irrigate much of N India.
- atdrummond 5y agoI suppose one could claim that at the time of the Convention of Lhasa, Tibet and much of India swore suzerainty to the same nation of Great Britain. There's also the concept of Arkhand Bharat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhand_Bharat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhand_Bharat) which is the notion of a unified Indian subcontinent.
- throwaway_1928 5y agoOne may also observe that India is primarily Hindu, while Tibet is primarily Buddhist, which is an offshoot of Hinduism. Present day China is communist atheist, which has a lot less in common with Buddhism than Hinduism does.
- dorfsmay 5y agoReality is a bit more complicated, there are many religions in India and most people consider Buddhism not theistic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India https://qz.com/india/1585631/the-ancient-connections-between-atheism-buddhism-and-hinduism/ https://qz.com/india/1585631/the-ancient-connections-between...
- pmoriarty 5y ago"most people consider Buddhism not theistic" In practice, a lot of Buddhists are very theistic. Many of them worship various gods and Buddhas. In the West, Buddhism has been desacrilized to make it more palatable for Westerners, but in the East it's often way more religious and theistic, especially as the Buddhism that actually exists in those countries has often been blended with other indigenous religions which themselves are very theistic.
- known 5y ago
- collyw 5y agoRiver high up in mountains aren't where the power lies. You could damn all of those 4 but the water coming off of them wouldn't affect the large important parts of rivers downstream too much.
- treis 5y agoThat doesn't seem right. The North/East borders of India, Nepal, and Bhutan are along the Himalayas. Any river that flows in India should start on India's side of the mountains.
- rajeshp1986 5y ago@treis, It doesn't work like that. Rivers can originate anywhere and flow in any direction. For ex- Jhelum and Indus rivers originate in India but flow through Pakistan. I am sure there are many other similar examples.
- ceejayoz 5y agoIn this case, though, they seem to be correct. A map of the Ganges watershed: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ganges-Brahmaputra-Meghna_basins.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ganges-Brahmaputra-M... Looks unlikely that Tibet could exert too much control over it.
- Ma8ee 5y agoI’m quite certain rivers always flows downwards due to gravity. So mountain ranges tend to be problematic to run through.
- throwaway158497 5y agoTrue. But sometimes there are small openings in the hills which are enough for rivers to rush through. Brahmaputra starts near Tibet, but enters India in the state of Arunachal Pradesh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmaputra_River#/media/File:Brahmapoutre.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmaputra_River#/media/File:...
- Someone 5y ago> The major rivers of India and China all originate in Tibet Apart from the Brahmaputra, which flows through the part of India east of Bangladesh, I have a hard time finding a major India river that originates in Tibet. Certainly, the Ganges flows west to east. What river(s) do I overlook?
- saiya-jin 5y agoIndeed OPs comment doesn't make much sense. Ganges is sourced in Gangotri, Yamuna in Yamunotri which are in Indian territory, behing massive himalayan wall separating it from (occupied and formerly indian) chinese territory. Mighty fine hiking locations too!
- collyw 5y agoThe Karnarli comes from Mt Kailash, which is a tributary of the Ganges.
- collyw 5y agoThere are 4 sacred river that originate from Mt Kailash as far as I remember. https://www.wondersoftibet.com/mount-kailash-four-river-sources/ https://www.wondersoftibet.com/mount-kailash-four-river-sour... (I have kayaked the Karnarli, well worth a rafting trip if you are in Nepal). I think the Yarlung Tsangpo as well comes from one of them. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/80558/yarlung-tsangpo-the-everest-of-rivers https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/80558/yarlung-tsang... Ahhh, wait, in see you said India. That would be the Indus and Karnarli - which goes to the Ganges. Sorry rushed post not got time to remind myself.
- Manuel_D 5y agoI'm not sure how significant that geographic fact is. Tibet is incredibly remote and rugged. Any kind of dam project large enough to have downstream impacts would be infeasible.
- kebab 5y agoI'm pretty sure the Vietnamese have already began to complain about the impacts of damming in Chinese Tibet. Though I read that in the news, so take it with a grain of salt
- jhugo 5y agoThe Mekong, the usual river that comes up when it comes to water rights, originates in Qinghai province, not Tibet. Any other rivers originating in China and flowing through VN would be even further east. You might be confused because the Mekong (along with numerous other rivers) originates on the Tibetan Plateau, but that's a geographical feature which is vastly larger than Tibet itself.
- croes 5y ago
- xadhominemx 5y agoWhat are you talking about?
- croes 5y ago
- microtherion 5y agoFinland, probably… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim /s
- sofixa 5y agoThat man is a freaking legend. As all good historical figures, not entirely good or entirely bad ( nothing is black or white in this world), but certainly interesting and with huge contributions.
- MarkMarine 5y ago[flagged]
- fsckboy 5y agodude, you just said "what about Stalin"
- MarkMarine 5y agoThat’s the point
- fsckboy 5y agoyou complained about whataboutism and then you engaged in whataboutism
- pm90 5y agoIndeed. Both the Tibetans and the people of Xinjiang deserve much better than what they currently have.
- hutzlibu 5y agoAnd in Tigray and in Mali and in Yemen, ...
- kingkawn 5y agoAnd those Afghanis now starving to death after being ravaged by imperialist war-adventuring for decades
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- tomohawk 5y agoYeah, creating educational opportunities for girls was the worst. Good thing that's all being put back the way it's supposed to be.
- emkoemko 5y agohave you seen Afghanistan before US helped Taliban with arms to fight USSR? and before USSR invaded? they didn't need your "educational opportunities" they need invaders not to invade.