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This is such an interesting response. I have a Subaru BRZ (basically the same car as the FRS). I've participated in FT86 (BRZ/FRS) communities for years now an

This is such an interesting response. I have a Subaru BRZ (basically the same car as the FRS). I've participated in FT86 (BRZ/FRS) communities for years now and the constant factor in crashed ones is almost always the age/immaturity of the driver. Most times it also boils down to simply not knowing how to operate the (or a) car properly on the road. It is _because_ this car is so "underpowered", that young people think they can get away with driving so terribly, that they inevitably crash/get into accidents. Meanwhile when I see Teslas lose control or get crazy, they are almost always being driven by 25-50 year old people, sometimes even older. This is a bad comparison, honestly.

sliken 5y ago
Heh, not sure I'd say because it's under powered. I had a WRX, was active in the community, and even did a track day at thunderhill.' The FRS is cheap, looks fast/sexy, and is fun to drive... which encourages exploring the limits. Thus new enthusiasts explore (and cross) the limit. Not sure another 25% HP/torque would really make it safer. Maybe another 2x-3x would be enough to scare people into being careful. Trick is most don't know where the limit is, after crossing the perceived limits a few times, they are in for a surprise when they find the real limits.
- spike021 5y ago
  Oh, I feel the exact same way actually. I was just saying underpowered since the person I replied to did. I'm actually a huge defender of its stock power :P. You can find me on /r/cars fiercely defending it and getting downvoted to oblivion quite often. I even tried an E85 tune for a bit but honestly stock tune is perfect for me with the 2017+'s gearing ratio. It feels snappy, feels great to rev high, etc. I've known people to turn off traction control thinking they can handle it and then they don't even think about situations like the road surface being too cold or damp from light drizzle/rain. Known two young guys who wrecked with those exact situations.

sliken 5y ago

Heh, not sure I'd say because it's under powered. I had a WRX, was active in the community, and even did a track day at thunderhill.' The FRS is cheap, looks fast/sexy, and is fun to drive... which encourages exploring the limits. Thus new enthusiasts explore (and cross) the limit. Not sure another 25% HP/torque would really make it safer. Maybe another 2x-3x would be enough to scare people into being careful. Trick is most don't know where the limit is, after crossing the perceived limits a few times, they are in for a surprise when they find the real limits.

spike021 5y ago
Oh, I feel the exact same way actually. I was just saying underpowered since the person I replied to did. I'm actually a huge defender of its stock power :P. You can find me on /r/cars fiercely defending it and getting downvoted to oblivion quite often. I even tried an E85 tune for a bit but honestly stock tune is perfect for me with the 2017+'s gearing ratio. It feels snappy, feels great to rev high, etc. I've known people to turn off traction control thinking they can handle it and then they don't even think about situations like the road surface being too cold or damp from light drizzle/rain. Known two young guys who wrecked with those exact situations.