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I must have missed that, what exactly ended happened?

ChoGGi 5y ago
They lost Visa and MasterCard https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30441276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30441276
mschuster91 5y ago
The banks reversed course after a huge shitstorm [1] that included a number of high-profile influencers... and the attempt of the fundamentalist groups to find actually objectionable material like "revenge porn", stolen content and pornography produced under extortionary conditions like Pornhub hosted failed, which killed their leverage. Additionally, the censorship debate started discussions in Europe to create an European-based, discrimination-free payment network [2] - and that would have been a bigger threat to the Visa/Mastercard duopoly's profits than the risk of angering a bunch of Evangelical nutcases in the US. Meanwhile as for Pornhub, they still only have Bitcoin, Ethereum and shitcoins, and IIRC direct bank wire transfers as payment method. [1]: https://time.com/6092947/onlyfans-sexual-content-ban/ https://time.com/6092947/onlyfans-sexual-content-ban/ [2]: https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/european-payments-initiative-die-letzte-chance-fuer-ein-100.html https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/european-payments-initi...
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  FYI, Visa and Mastercard are not banks.
- mardifoufs 5y ago
  This is just a rehash of stereotypes. The main thrust of the attack against pornhub started after the NYT article that documented quite a few examples of revenge porn, lack of moderation from pornhub, etc. Maybe you should go read that since you don't seem aware that there are actual examples of what you say they weren't able to find. & NYT isn't exactly known to be a source of evangelical propaganda/zeal. You can choose to ignore that, but to say that it was all the evil american evangelists boogeyman is just non sense. It's a tired trope that you often see coming from some europeans that have a very weird and misinformed view of American society. And ignoring the insane amounts of documented abuse in the porn industry. Visa and Mastercard were also concerned by the potential for prostitution that onlyfans could have, and after what happened to backpage they did not need any outside pressure. Payment processors have always been hostile to porn. This is all so widely documented that I just really fail to see how you got to that conclusion.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    > The main thrust of the attack against pornhub started after the NYT article that documented quite a few examples of revenge porn, lack of moderation from pornhub, etc. I won't say PornHub isn't without issues. But: Facebook, Twitter and Reddit have also been accused of the very same things and yet no one is calling for their ban. > NYT isn't exactly known to be a source of evangelical propaganda/zeal The particular author - Nick Kristof - is [1]. > And ignoring the insane amounts of documented abuse in the porn industry. No one is ignoring that. The answer isn't to ban porn sites or prostitution, the answer is to go after the abusers directly, to establish a culture of holding people accountable. > Visa and Mastercard were also concerned by the potential for prostitution that onlyfans could have, and after what happened to backpage they did not need any outside pressure. Payment processors have always been hostile to porn. Yeah, and why is that? Because again of a campaign driven by anti-sex-work activists and politicians and AGs wanting an easy target for political gain [2], timed together with the passing of FOSTA/SESTA, yet another campaign by the same groups [3]. To this day, the government wasn't able to hold trial against the people behind Backpage, further giving evidence to the fact that the situation isn't as clear as the abolitionists painted it. > Payment processors have always been hostile to porn. Because online porn (in contrast to physical media) has incredibly high fraud rates - from legitimately stolen credit cards that have been used to buy premium accounts over men having their purchases found out by their wives and attempting to deflect by saying their card details got stole to clear cases of "post-nut regret" aka chargeback fraud. > It's a tired trope that you often see coming from some europeans that have a very weird and misinformed view of American society. You correctly identified me being an European. And you can hardly blaming us for our beliefs when you managed to elect an Evangelical nutcase to Vice President and the GQP is has been running efforts wherever they can to screw over sex workers, transgender and non-heterosexual people wherever the fuck they can. [1]: https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war-pornhub https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war... [2]: https://www.thedailybeast.com/backpage-is-bad-banning-it-would-be-worse https://www.thedailybeast.com/backpage-is-bad-banning-it-wou... [3]: https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sesta-was-supposed-to-thwart-sex-trafficking-instead-its-sparked-a-movement/ https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sesta-was-supposed-to-thwart...
    - 5y ago
vincentmarle 5y ago
The crusade on Pornhub started with this NYTimes column by Nicholas Kristof: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-ra...

They lost Visa and MasterCard https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30441276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30441276

mschuster91 5y ago

The banks reversed course after a huge shitstorm [1] that included a number of high-profile influencers... and the attempt of the fundamentalist groups to find actually objectionable material like "revenge porn", stolen content and pornography produced under extortionary conditions like Pornhub hosted failed, which killed their leverage. Additionally, the censorship debate started discussions in Europe to create an European-based, discrimination-free payment network [2] - and that would have been a bigger threat to the Visa/Mastercard duopoly's profits than the risk of angering a bunch of Evangelical nutcases in the US. Meanwhile as for Pornhub, they still only have Bitcoin, Ethereum and shitcoins, and IIRC direct bank wire transfers as payment method. [1]: https://time.com/6092947/onlyfans-sexual-content-ban/ https://time.com/6092947/onlyfans-sexual-content-ban/ [2]: https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/european-payments-initiative-die-letzte-chance-fuer-ein-100.html https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/european-payments-initi...

lotsofpulp 5y ago
FYI, Visa and Mastercard are not banks.
mardifoufs 5y ago
This is just a rehash of stereotypes. The main thrust of the attack against pornhub started after the NYT article that documented quite a few examples of revenge porn, lack of moderation from pornhub, etc. Maybe you should go read that since you don't seem aware that there are actual examples of what you say they weren't able to find. & NYT isn't exactly known to be a source of evangelical propaganda/zeal. You can choose to ignore that, but to say that it was all the evil american evangelists boogeyman is just non sense. It's a tired trope that you often see coming from some europeans that have a very weird and misinformed view of American society. And ignoring the insane amounts of documented abuse in the porn industry. Visa and Mastercard were also concerned by the potential for prostitution that onlyfans could have, and after what happened to backpage they did not need any outside pressure. Payment processors have always been hostile to porn. This is all so widely documented that I just really fail to see how you got to that conclusion.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > The main thrust of the attack against pornhub started after the NYT article that documented quite a few examples of revenge porn, lack of moderation from pornhub, etc. I won't say PornHub isn't without issues. But: Facebook, Twitter and Reddit have also been accused of the very same things and yet no one is calling for their ban. > NYT isn't exactly known to be a source of evangelical propaganda/zeal The particular author - Nick Kristof - is [1]. > And ignoring the insane amounts of documented abuse in the porn industry. No one is ignoring that. The answer isn't to ban porn sites or prostitution, the answer is to go after the abusers directly, to establish a culture of holding people accountable. > Visa and Mastercard were also concerned by the potential for prostitution that onlyfans could have, and after what happened to backpage they did not need any outside pressure. Payment processors have always been hostile to porn. Yeah, and why is that? Because again of a campaign driven by anti-sex-work activists and politicians and AGs wanting an easy target for political gain [2], timed together with the passing of FOSTA/SESTA, yet another campaign by the same groups [3]. To this day, the government wasn't able to hold trial against the people behind Backpage, further giving evidence to the fact that the situation isn't as clear as the abolitionists painted it. > Payment processors have always been hostile to porn. Because online porn (in contrast to physical media) has incredibly high fraud rates - from legitimately stolen credit cards that have been used to buy premium accounts over men having their purchases found out by their wives and attempting to deflect by saying their card details got stole to clear cases of "post-nut regret" aka chargeback fraud. > It's a tired trope that you often see coming from some europeans that have a very weird and misinformed view of American society. You correctly identified me being an European. And you can hardly blaming us for our beliefs when you managed to elect an Evangelical nutcase to Vice President and the GQP is has been running efforts wherever they can to screw over sex workers, transgender and non-heterosexual people wherever the fuck they can. [1]: https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war-pornhub https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war... [2]: https://www.thedailybeast.com/backpage-is-bad-banning-it-would-be-worse https://www.thedailybeast.com/backpage-is-bad-banning-it-wou... [3]: https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sesta-was-supposed-to-thwart-sex-trafficking-instead-its-sparked-a-movement/ https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sesta-was-supposed-to-thwart...
  - 5y ago

vincentmarle 5y ago

The crusade on Pornhub started with this NYTimes column by Nicholas Kristof: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-ra...